Brexit now leading by 10 points

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  1. Ebeneezer Goode

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    Nothing undemocratic about it, the referendum was done as an 'advisory' one, mainly as the political class wanted as much wiggle room as possible.

    The result of the case underlined Parliaments supremacy over the government, which is an important check and balance in restricting governmental power. A good thing.

    The fault lies squarely with the wording of the bill that gave us the referendum in the first place, and May's government for trying to circumvent Parliament's role, and the people and the press should be doling out contempt to its authors.

    It's really not a good start for May, between this and caving into the Chinese and French over Hinkley we've got a PM that's apparently not too bright - which isn't an issue if you surround yourself with good advisers you listen to. It's not looking like she's done that either.
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    But shouldn't Parliament be subservient to the will of the people and the people's royal sovereign? After all, they're a monarchy with a side of democracy, not a Republic.
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    No, we are a constitutional monarchy, which means that the monarch is subordinate to Parliament and therefore, ultimately, the public. We elect MPs to Parliament so to claim it is not representative of the people is nonsense.

    Keep in mind that I've had to lecture you morons on this for years on this and here we have a court decision made by English lawyers that corresponds with what I've said and not what any if you idiots have claimed. Funny that, isn't it? ;)
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  4. gturner

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    How can you be a constitutional monarchy when you can find the monarch on the cover of any tabloid long before can find your "constitution" in a law library?

    You're a monarchy with side notes in the margin.

    If Prince George's nanny puts him in the corner, he can retaliate by one day putting her in the Tower.

    All the toys are his. He just lets other kids throughout Britain play with them because for now he chooses to be a benevolent ruler.
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    I suspect this will be over turned on appeal since Parliament did vote on letting the vote go ahead. Now that they lost one side is trying to nullify the vote and that simply must not be allowed.
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    It won't be overturned on appeal. I predicted this would happen even before the vote. I've been talking about parliamentary sovereignty on here for years before it. I've practiced law in this country for nearly two decades...but you're claiming you of all people know more about British constitutional law?? :rotfl:
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    The PM seems to think you are wrong, we shall see.
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    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Hmmmmm, I wonder why that is? Could it be for political reasons? Could it? ;)

    If I'm right, will you have the guts to come back and eat humble pie or just keep hiding behind rep butttons? :chris:
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    Humble pie? I said I suspect not that it is a certainty and that we shall see.

    There is something very wrong with you where you are unable to follow simple sentences and then go off on ten degrees of Kevin Bacon type arguments. This is not the first time and it id in fact the norm for you.

    For the love of god, please read and respond to what people actually wrote and not what you wish they wrote. It is that type of stupid games which gets you put on ignore.
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  11. Volpone

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    Well keep practicing! Maybe one day you'll get it. :techman:
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  12. Dinner

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    It is a perfect example of Chup going off the deep end and just making stuff up instead of responding to what people actually said. He is terrible at that.
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  13. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Yeah, I'm always wrong aren't I?

    So, I said you are a racist and so far fifteen, fifteen board members think you're a racist, with another two deciding that even if you aren't you're still a bigot. What do you have to say about that Adolf? Not that wrong am I...? ;)
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  14. gturner

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    That means 15 board members have their head up their ass.
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  15. Volpone

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    No, its an example of the herd mentality WF has become. Unable to think for yourselves, you latch onto the first thing someone says that is simple enough for you all to parrot and that becomes the Truth.
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  16. Ebeneezer Goode

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    No, Parliament voted for an advisory referendum to take place. There was no legal binding to accept or implement the result, however politically it's somewhat toxic to ignore it, and the consequences of both sides antics in pursuing relentlessly negative campaigns have made things difficult for everyone.

    With it going to the Supreme Court, it's all somewhat in the air as they've zero requirement to take into account to either sides arguments. My suspicion is that the government will fail, mainly due to how the act for the referendum was written, but with the atmosphere as it is, they may also take into account that the press and public opinion may just turn against the judiciary, and look into a bit of self-preservation.

    The Government failing the appeal is both good and bad. Good, as it maintains Parliament as above the Government. Bad, as it means Brexit is going to be a painful extraction as special interests will trump the national one.

    Again our political class, regardless of ideology, will be shown to the bunch of utter cockwits that they are.
  17. Ebeneezer Goode

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    Actually it's an example of Dinner's own words. If you persistently describe an entire people as 'animals', you're being a bigot, and should be called out on it.

    Or are you going to defend Hillary's use of 'deplorables' too?
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    Bigotry is good as long as it is based on facts. Either way it has nothing to do with racism which show Volpone is right and wordforge really has degenerated.

    At least we know 15 posters here are top stupid to realize that race has something to do with racism. Pointing out the inherent barbarity of a cult based upon its teachings has nothing to do with race as the cult is multiethnic.
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  19. Bickendan

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    You're hung up on semantics and literalism.
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  20. Dinner

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    I am hung up on definitions instead of trying to redefine words. That is called being correct.
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  21. Bickendan

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    Irregardless, do you see how your views are becoming detrimental to your character?

    /me waves at Tamar Garish :bigass:
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  22. Dinner

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    Nope, it is best to deal with reality even if some people don't like it.
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