Brexit now leading by 10 points

As a matter of fact, I am British.

Personally, I think that Corbyn has done well. He's faced a constant barrage of hostility from day one, including lots of really base smears and lies. These attacks haven't just come from his opponents, but also from his own party and the media. The ferocity of these attacks suggests not that they think he's hopeless, but rather that they believe he can win. The fact that Labour has done well in elections despite the constant 'predictions' of failure and the veritable mountain of shit thrown at Corbyn backs this up.

He certainly doesn't fit the profile of what a party leader 'should' be. I think this is a positive, and I believe that he is sincere in his desire for a new kind of politics. In many ways I think that he and, more importantly, what he represents fit the spirit of the times.

It's always about him, haven't you figured that out yet?

Been a fun couple of weeks... Have to hand it to the Tories, they know how to handle leadership contests. Mainly by having them ruthlessly effective. Compare the Labour Party, held hostage by an infestation of idiots under the impression that being popular with them translates to being popular with the electorate.

Not at all sure about May, too many fuck-ups, too much authoritarian speech. Time will tell. Also not happy with the no GE 'til 2020, I can appreciate none in the immediate future (although I was expecting a spring one) while Brexit is being sorted, but once that ball is properly in motion, she should face the electorate.

Economically, the value of sterling has dropped, so good for exports and for importing a bit of inflation - been interesting to see every drop of the FTSE be met with DOOOOOOMMMMMM, and every raise as is it stabilised with the sound of crickets. At least one of the commercial property funds has begun allowing funds to be removed again, maybe commercial rents will start heading towards sanity as a consequence. House prices in London will flatten for a bit, and drop elsewhere - no bad thing as there's plenty of demand at lower levels, just so long as the economy keeps ticking over (which it will)

Corbyn has been showing himself to be a useful idiot, for Labour it's the early 80's all over again. I don't for one moment think Corbyn is anti-semitic, misogynistic or supports violence, but the British left have a rich history of all three and doesn't seem to have learned its lessons. The self-righteous shitwits think they're better than the piggy-eyed nutters of the far right, they're really, really not. Chucking bricks through windows and deciding women in power aren't really women (feminism just passed you thick cunts by didn't it?) until they meet some retarded criteria decided by people with testes, is the same kind of troglodyte thinking.

I honestly don't know how Labour will survive this, Corbyn has already given the government free reign with his moronic Points of View PM Questions, having allowed Cameron to swipe aside issues with a comment and seen few follow-ups, and staying on is simply failing the country. We need a strong opposition, not one led by a piss-weak joke of a dinosaur, parading around with knives in his back and being kept on life support by trustafarians, middle class quinoa-eating wankers and union leaders living in fantasy land.

Even if he does leave, or loses (he won't) the leadership challenge, the bad blood is there and will take years to draw out. Maybe the LibDems... Ah fuck, Farron seems a nice bloke, but he'd be too busy weaving a bible out of hemp to actually oppose anything God hasn't asked him to. Perhaps the SNP have a genuine case for being the opposition after all, at least Sturgeon is a serious politician who can play the media and sniff blood when it's in the water.

Also been entertaining watching the European Commission being circumvented by the likes of Merkel. Even the various heads of state appear to coming around to the idea that having a grindingly slow bureaucracy isn't a good idea.

Although Spain has been finding out that, much as Belgium, for day-to-day things, you don't actually need a government. We'll be on, what? Election number 3 shortly?

The Labour party, even with a new leader, is unelectable for at least a year, arguably a lot longer, and the rest of your post reinforces this. Farron is also a nobody. The Tories are here to stay.

What bothers me is that I am a centre right Tory. But with the lack of credible opposition, and with the Brexit vote, the more right wing UKIP type s the Tort party are gaining more influence and power. I don't like the idea of a government not in check.

Yup, but without winning a election there's a whiff of Brown, especially as May is on record as condemning Brown for not facing the electorate. It's a stick to beat her with, so you remove the stick. The Brexit negotations get you so far, but after that questions will be raised. More to the point, the Tories aren't especially united at the moment, and the prospect of an election will keep the awkward squad mostly in line, right now they've carte blanche to shit-stir the negotiations and make life difficult.

Yup. Labour, under Corbyn, have singularly failed at their main role, which is to keep the government in check. Instead we're seeing the SNP take on that mantle, which begins to beg the question of just what Labour is actually for in it's current state. Even under Milibrain, whose stupidity put Labour in this mess, managed relevancy.

Maybe a split would be for the best, that way the young left can meet the old left and discover the old charmers are the ones who groused about letting women in working men's clubs, and came up with such genius nuggets as London Transport Exec's "We Don't Employ Blacks" campaign - that's right everyone, the UK's vaunted public sector actually went there - I'm sure the angry neo-Trots of Mongumentum would love their bedfellows..

Even if Farron were a force, the Lib Dems have been quietly having their own contemplations of assassination, as reported in Private Eye - secret telephone polling of members on replacing Farron with... Nick Clegg.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...on-seven-years

The shape of post Brexit UK's relationship with the EU is starting to take shape and it looks a hell of a lot like the deal Cameron tried to make but which Merkel refused prior to the Brexit vote. Free trade will be preserved, the UK will get an emergency break to stop or restrict immigration up to 10 years at a time, new comers will be blocked from access to welfare for up to four years and/or have welfare access phased in in proportion to how much they have paid into the system, and while the UK will still contribute to the EU budget it's costs will go down substantially. The only real downside is the UK will lose its seats in the EU as it will no longer be a member. If Merkel hadn't been such a twat to Cameron something like this could have been agreed on last year and Brexit avoided.

Oh, and I am not surprised the French were trying to be twats like they always are.

We've got a nice, big Hinkley Point shaped stick to deal with the French. EDF is doing all it can to make sure the white elephant gets built, mainly as it's a nice money earner given our idiots guaranteeing a floor price for the electricity it would generate. We pull that rug from underneath them, and it's pretty much like firing a nail gun in Hollande's groin, such would be the pain felt in France.

That deal does look pretty good, and losing the seat on the EU isn't that bad, we'll still have influence via Eastern European proxies who want the UK military stationed there lest Russia tries to get the USSR band back together.

I think it is going to turn out that the UK is in a much better negotiating position than the EU thought. The reason is the TTIP will be finished soon which the US would happy to make sure the UK is a part of and that would automatically assure access to both the EU market and the NAFTA, market for the UK. The EU wants to hold market access above the UK so it can extract concessions but as the UK would already get market access from the TTIP why should they give concessions to the EU?

By all means sign an association agreement with the EU but the terms should be a bettwr deal for the UK than the status quo because if they are not the TTIP gives them a back door way of keeping market access.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd.......

The High Court agrees with me. Fuck you Brexiters.

And given that Nicola and her 56 strong team won't be voting for it, you might have to say thankyou to the SNP!

We don't need that old bow wow and her cronies if the MPs who voted remain vote in Parliament with any consistency.

One of the benefits of living under a monarchy is that the Queen can have members of Parliament imprisoned, tortured, executed, and dismembered.

So basically what you do with Craigslist prostitutes.

It's a fucking mess. I'm not even sure why the government is appealing rather than just putting it to a vote, and it shows just how steamingly arrogant Cameron was in thinking Remain would win the day.

The nation was actually healing, and this is just going re-open the wound. Would've been better to just get on with it.

I'm assuming the government won't win the appeal, and that leaves May having to weigh how certain she is at getting a Leave vote through. And if I were an MP, I'd also be thinking very hard about poor Jo Cox before going against the referendum result. I don't want to see our politicians getting harmed, but this has the capacity to be dangerously toxic.

So far Brexit has been a good thing without actually having happened - our currency has headed towards saner values, and we're starting to move away from a Japan-style stagnancy as it's provided a kick many countries would kill for (the Swiss must be looking especially green) - let's not fuck it up. It'd been especially fun watching the remoaners rediscover newspeak though.

I suspect we'll get an election now, especially as there's a good chance the Tories would actually make significant gains on a Brexit policy, and if the Tories stick leaving the EU for certain on the card, then for the first time ever, they'll get my vote.

Your mother must have really been into being cunt-punched, whilst downing bottles of moonshine, whilst pregnant with you. It shows.

Yeah, pretty much.

It seriously wouldn't surprise me.

The British monarchy has only killed about 195 MP's, if you include those that died in prison.

It's just part of how their unwritten constitution balances the branches of government.

Wiki: MP's who were executed or died in prison

Boris and Mr. Gove as well it seems, if the rumours are to be believed.

Get on with the referral to Parliament or give Article 50 notice?

They have two bites of the cherry, the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court (although I understand it may be going straight to the latter), both of which require a point of law in dispute but I think this more than adequately qualifies as one!! Personally I think they'll continue to lose.

See I'm no so sure about this, given that the electorate is particularly polarised on Brexit. This might be Corbyn's one and only chance of picking up votes if he campaigns on a remain platform. Plus I think that the Tories will have set out a firm plan, not the vague nonsense we're getting now. If we're going for Brexit then, in may opinion, it should be a soft Brexit so that it is in effect a back door renegotiation and I know leavers who voted on this basis. But right now it's anyone's guess what sort of Brexit would be campaigned for.

It seems that chup's inability to leave when he says he will might be a product of his country.

Boris Johnson makes Freudian slip, says Brexit will be a "Titanic success"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-brexit-titanic_uk_581a70b2e4b08315783d6c2f

Well, arrogance is part of their DNA!

Both!

The government lost in court, rather than appealing it ought to have just started towards a vote. Sooner the better.

Problem there, is that - outside of London - Labour majority areas generally voted Leave, so a Labour campaigning on a Remain ticket is a vote-loser. Chances are the Remainers and pig-in-a-red-rosette brigade will go out to vote, but the rest of the core vote will sit it out, or vote differently. The voting pattern within boundaries tell a tale that any party campaigning on Remain will actively repel English and Welsh voters. And with Scotland pretty much the dominion of the SNP, any party able to state they'll enact the referendum result will do badly in NI and Scotland, but very well in England and Wales. And a look on the electoral map tells you that means Labour getting twatted.

As for what kind of Brexit, we know, we've been told. It's hard. We don't get to determine what kind of Brexit we get. This isn't Supermarket Sweep, with a orange Junker looking at what we managed to toss into a trolley, we negotiate. And the EU member states are not going to give us a nice, clean, soft and shiny Brexit. It's not in their interests. So we leave, hard, and we go down the road of a trade deal.

And we can get a decent trade deal with them. Most of the goods we import, we can get elsewhere, and once they have to compete with the albatross of WTO tariffs round their neck, they'll talk. The French are the weakest link, mainly as they enjoy a good riot to underline their disgruntlement at government policy. Their vintners are already in a mood, and watching the UK market disappear into the arms of South American exports (the Argies have been cooing noises at us) is likely to push them over. Same with German car manufacturers.

Let the EU play silly buggers. It'll hurt them far more as their economies aren't as robust - not that ours is in the best vim. When the 'recession' word starts being bandied about, they'll be reasonable.

And given just how fast and loose Germany and France have played with the 'four freedoms', they can take their fake umbrage and hypocritical stance and sod off until they're ready to act like adults.

As I understood it, a lot of people lied during polls and said "remain" but in the event voted "exit." Or at the least, during polling said 'not exit' because they'd be painted as racists or deplorable somehow.

And there's a strong possibility of a similar chunk of Americans who might be saying "not Donald" to avoid the taint of the broad black brush it apparently paints among so many of the elites. The Donald-deniers, if they exist, are possibly-covert-deplorables - since they must work next to the elites.

Also, potential Donald-voters who find themselves surrounded by a majority of Hillaryites risk being labeled misogynist, so perhaps a surprise is ahead next week in the US just as it hit the UK with the Brexit polls consistently wrong (in the event).

Buyer's Remorse is only to be expected when you love to queue as much as we Brits do. You spent all that time queuing for something you later regretted, and the best part is you now get to queue up at the Customer Service desk to complain!!

"Right, I've got this. I'm British, and if there's one thing we know how to do, it's queue."
Arthur Dent

Yeah, fuck democracy.

Please have a clue about English law and parliamentary democracy before passing comment.

Kthanks.

*waits for dumb rating*

Hey, you got a GFY instead!