Broadway gets Donnie all upsetted

Come on. Pence will bring a new birth of freedom to blacks and Latinos who lived in utter fear of Joe Biden.

Most, like Anna, were so afraid of Biden that they would hardly ever mention his name. It's like Voldemort.

Like his superior. Is he hoping Trumpentwitter will pitch a hissy and quit within the first 100 days so he can have a job he'd never get elected for on his own?

the Hamilton cast was out of line and called down the thunder. I do not buy tickets to Broadway shows to hear the opinions of the cast. I hate pense and wish rabid honey badger try to burrow their way up his ass and out of his skull. I am not going to a Broadway play to hear you lecture him. If you want to inform the audience you have a special guest and there may be some delays, or even welcome that specific person to the performance that is your job and I am cool with that. If I wanted to see political discussion I would go see a Colbert show, or perhaps a comedian like Louis black. If I go to see "Hamilton" I expect to see that performance and probably want to escape the bullshit of the real world while the performers whisk me away to their world.

We do not see NASCAR drivers all get out of their cars and tell us how epa emission standards are threatening their way of life. Now you have opened up your venue to have people shouting crap back at your performers and disrupting your performance. You opened the door for that shit, and now you have to deal with the rabble you taunted. I sure as fuck am not going to see the show now that you can expect political arguments during the performance. There is a venue for shouting political bullshit at your opponents, and it should be done in hospital places while we leave live performance performances for professionals to focus on the performance. The whole cast can go on a merry Fucking field trip to a pence event and sing fuck you to him in four part harmony and that is their right, but your venue is there for your Hamilton performance and you do not invite political discourse into that arena and expect people to come to enjoy your show.

learn a goddamned thing about what? That I should have empathy for paranoid delusional people? Barking up the wrong tree if you think I believe in conversion therapy or give a shit about people's sexual preference or identification. My point is nobody but Mike Pence believes in conversion therapy so why are you as a gay/LGBT/BLT/OPP even concerned about it? You are looking for shit to be worried about. Just my 2 cents.

He's an adult WORKING for a spoiled toddler.

I've never seen Hamilton of course, but this review is as hilarious as it is refreshing.

https://t.co/9WH0V0kfIn

I took special delight in the highlighted quote.

Holy shit! What the fuck kind of a world are we living in where Tererun is the voice of reason and the grownup in the room? "We do not see NASCAR drivers all get out of their cars and tell us how epa emission standards are threatening their way of life." But I can't say as I disagree - there is a forum for everything. The Hamilton political statement was heavy-handed, tasteless, and lacked any subtlety, tact or discretion.

^Heh. Reminds me of the old Catholic Legion of Decency. The cardinals would issue statements along the line of “Of course, none of us have actually seen the latest Fellini film, but we know it’s scurrilous filth, and anyone in our congregation who goes to see it is guilty of mortal sin. Stand now and repeat the pledge:

“In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. I condemn all indecent and immoral motion pictures, and those which glorify crime or criminals. I promise to do all that I can to strengthen public opinion against the production of indecent and immoral films, and to unite with all who protest against them. I acknowledge my obligation to form a right conscience about pictures that are dangerous to my moral life. I pledge myself to remain away from them. I promise, further, to stay away altogether from places of amusement which show them as a matter of policy.”

I’m sure shows such as Les Miz never ever said anything about poverty or bigotry or the role of women or the cruelty of the “justice” system in their time (or the present). They were just happy, happy songs and dances by actors in rags performing for expense-account audiences at obscene prices and no one ever had an original thought about anything once they left the theater.

Nope, nope, nope. Entertainment is supposed to entertain, full stop. Thinking? That’s not allowed.

It's not paranoid delusion if the fucker has actually passed legislation against LGBT persons. You asked me how it affected "every swinging dick" in the cast, and I just informed you about his stance on gay people, same sex marriage, conversion therapy, and his desire to defund AIDS projects in favor of it. Your two cents are worthless here, because none of this affects you in any way. It's like saying "the KKK hasn't bothered me. You blacks just want something to be worried about." Mike Pence has supported legislation to curb the rights of gay people in Indiana, and he has spoken openly about enforcing similar legislation when he takes office. He is loathed by the LGBT community there. I explained this to you, showing you the links where these issues have been listed, elaborated upon, and explained so that you can understand them and how those policies affect everyone in the long run, and still you don't get why they would be worried and upset.

The only way you'll know is if you have the chance to live and see the minority population become the majority population, and they decide to treat you how you've treated them and their fight for civil equality: casual indifference coupled with willful ignorance.

Sorry, ISWYDT and entertainment can indeed make you think. And if your entertainment made people think then it doesn't have to explain itself after the fact. Did Stanley Kubrick end Doctor Strangelove with a lecture on why war is bad? No, if he did his job you can extrapolate that while being entertained. Discuss!

So because I am a white straight conservative male I am not allowed an opinion? But considering Indiana - has he actually curbed any gay rights? Has he succeeded in shutting down the LGBT community there? I'm guessing not or you would have provided proof. BTW if the minority population treated me the way I treat them, nothing would change. Please find one minority that I ever mistreated - good luck with that. To be fair, find one minority that I pandered to or lowered the standards on while in a position of authority - again good fucking luck. But good work on finding one person who might have a wrong position on gays! Now list his success on shutting down gays, and a long-term prediction on his further gay persecution. Bonus points for finding a conservative who actually gives a shit about sexual preference. You'll probably have better luck than me - I don't know too many.

The Clintons sold watered-down, ineffective AIDS drugs throughout Africa, killing God knows how many blacks, LGBTs, and black LGBTs, at least tens of thousands of them, in return for millions of dollars from corrupt Indian drug companies, one of which was fined $800 million dollars by the US FDA. But hey, gays supported her for President.

Technically, Swedish co-ed nymphomaniac Olympians are a minority who I would lower some standards on, such as "group sex with drunken strangers."

Just sayin'.

Perhaps the exception proves the rule.

On what matters to LGBT persons? You can have an opinion, but no one has to care about it, or give it any weight. You're looking in from the outside, and can only see from that angle. You don't see the entire picture, or experience what LGBT people go through every day. As I said in the example above, you can have an opinion on black protesters and the KKK, but that doesn't mean anyone has to give a shit because you don't live it at all. In your case, you seem to not even bother understanding it.

You didn't ask for proof. Hell, you totally ignored the original point of your own question, which was to ask me how it affected the cast when they addressed Mike Pence. I answered why they would be concerned, and how it affected them, and you moved on to something else without even taking a moment to acknowledge I gave you exactly what you asked. That said:

Indiana Senate Bill 101 - Passed

By the way, in the future, should a Democrat introduce hard anti-gun legislation into Congress, even if it fails, I expect you to give that representative full faith and confidence. I mean, even if he tried to take your guns, he didn't get the bill passed, so there's nothing to worry about. Make sure you tell that to any NRA reps who try to get your vote. I'm sure they'll agree, and calm down immediately.

So here, where at least one piece of legislation that passed, LGBT people have every reason to be concerned when he takes national office.

Says the man who just doesn't know why LGBT people would have something against Mike Pence. It is a mystery.

They probably don't bother explaining anything to you, if how you respond here is any indication. You seem to be oblivious to goddamned near everything that doesn't directly involve you. I've taken the time to explain reasons as to why the LGBT community is concerned, and you brush it off as paranoid, even though there is actual legislation out there pushed and passed by this man. It's absurd that you've raised the threshold to the point where not one piece of evidence matters unless it proves your conclusion, regardless of how ill informed that conclusion is. I tried, though. I did try.

Whitesplain to his cracker ass!

I don't disagree with their opinion, or even in it being presented. It is not the place for it because you are not there for political speech. I understand and totally agree with the worries and fears of the performers. I think they have good reason to be worried given who pence is. I even would agree with them using their fame as a way to reach pence, but not at a show where people have paid for a performance. Those people may not agree with your performance and your statements bring them down.

Look at kanye blowing up at his concert. I would be Fucking pissed if I was a trump and kanye can and he came out for two songs and a rant and ran off stage. I stopped risking guns and roses live shows because axle was an unprofessional diva. Unless the show is about today's politics shut the fuck up. I didn't come there for your opinion. If you want to use your fame to send a message call a press conference, make a protest, invite him backstage after the show and tell him. Do not waste my good money to see your performance with this bullshit.

Just to point out, Kanye left without really performing his show. The Hamilton actors waited until the curtain call at the very end, and when people were already starting to leave.

But they couldn't wait, and instead insulted all the Republicans, the party that now has 100% of the control over federal funding for the arts.

Time to help the deficit by zeroing it out.

Oh yeah, that $146 million is really going to impact the deficit.

But go ahead and cut it.

I think Broadway actors had a very particular reason for engaging Pence, considering the extent to which AIDS impacted that community in the 80s, and the extent to which Pence has tried to tie AIDS funding to conversion therapy.

He will. That money could pay an F-35 every year!

Probably the best thing the art community could do to avoid such cuts is devote themselves to making giant statues of Donald J Trump.

Asbury Park Press story

Steven Van Zandt of the E Street Band, one who is not shy about making pointed political statements, feels the cast of “Hamilton: An American Musical” bullied Vice President-elect Mike Pence when a cast member addressed Pence from the stage at the Friday, Nov. 18 performance.

“It was the most respectful, benign form of bullying ever. But bullying nonetheless. And by the way, human rights must be won, not asked for,” said Van Zandt in a series of tweets on Saturday, Nov. 19. “When artists perform the venue becomes your home. The audience are your guests. It’s taking unfair advantage of someone who thought they were a protected guest in your home”​

It was the most respectful, benign form of bullying ever. But bullying nonetheless. And by the way, human rights must be won, not asked for. https://t.co/JfN4yjq8jM

— Stevie Van Zandt (@StevieVanZandt) November 19, 2016
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“A guy comes to a Broadway show for a relaxing night out. Instead he gets a lecture from the stage! Not a level playing field. It’s bullying. You don’t single out an audience member and embarrass him from the stage. A terrible precedent to set.”​

John is righ

And this was the format to showcase their worries? I think this is the point people are getting at. Pence = evil....we get it. So if the cast are that concerned, they can find a more effective way to spread the word rather than take it out on their audience who may (or may not) share their political views.

They petitioned him directly, at a most opportune time, and they did so respectfully. They did it with far more respect than Obama has been given during his presidency.

No, they didn't. They were bullies. Take it from the E Street Band.

If anyone had ever done that to Obama it would have been the end of their careers in show business.

Even then it is going to hurt the venue and invite disruptors. That captive audience was not there to be preached to. We have to have some boundaries in public events or else we end up in rabble. Don't call it down as the people running the show. We expect a cake maker to make a cake for gay weddings without the political commentary. The same should be for the performers because the product is tainted when you jam your opinions into it. That is why the cake maker can go and donate, protest, or speak out on their time. They do not do it on the wedding cake even if it happens to be on the bottom of the cake where no one will see it. The same goes for these performers. Step away from your venue and make your statement. That is being a professional.

We spent a lot of time hearing libtards do it so we should too from the right. It does not sound any better coming from the left. If you want to take the high ground you have to take the high ground. Once you get in the rabble you are covered in shit.

Except they took the high ground. They petitioned to where he couldn't dismiss it, or disregard it without hearing them. They did exactly what they are guaranteed by the Constitution to do. I will not equivocate here. It's far too important to protect LGBT rights from Mike Pence and his desire to see gays go away, and to see women silenced. You dismiss it all you want. They did the right thing.

Nice people can make changes, but sometimes you need someone willing to speak up openly. See, that's when someone goes from being called nice to being an asshole, because they won't sit down in silence and meekly accept their fates. Mike Pence has a history of LGBT discrimination. We're not going to let him do on the national level what he has done to Indiana.

I totally agree they should use their fame to organize people and get a more powerful voice. There are ways to do that which do not pollute the sanctity of the theater. You need the audience to sit down and shut up, and they are not going to do that when you are preaching to them. This is why we end up with people interrupting the show in theaters with their bullshit. When the performers cannot keep from doing it the audience is encouraged to shout back. This is how a troll disrupts the lives of their opponents.