I am soooo glad Starbuck got to hear that little tidbit at the end from the Hybrid. Whiny annoying Starbuck since she came back from the dead really needed that.
That was a pretty good episode imo. Feels like we are finally getting somewhere. I'm guessing the first half of this season will end in a cliffhanger and a big battle. I have a feeling Anders is going to try and prevent the Three from being unboxed. And it was interesting how the blood from the Eight seemed to make the Hybrid more lucid... like the 1st Hybrid.
If you can call it that. The basestar they got is even more of a shitbox than the Galatica was next to the Pegasus.
Did anyone else catch Baltar quoting some Hamlet in his radio show? The very first scene where Roslin hears the radio, he says "When we have shuffled off this mortal coil" and then something about an undiscovered country. I couldn't catch all of it. Edit: Here's the full monologue. Lines from Batlar have been underlined, other interesting lines that could relate to the show have been bolded. My comments have been italicized.
Elwood agrees: Yup, but I made a leap to ST:VI and then Hamlet. I heard "The Undiscovered Country" but nothing else.
He said the full "That undiscover'd country, from whose bourne no traveller returns," so more needs to be underlined. Considering that it's a metaphor for death, I thought it particularly appropriate that the camera was right on Laura.
Man, Hardball was the guaranteed redshirt the moment she jumped onto the raptor and started saying nice things to Kara. I hate when shows do that.
Well, it wasn't Hardball (Seelix), it was Barolay, one of Anders' resistance fighters. Think Seelix stuck around on the Demetrius. But the second Barolay opened her mouth I actually said aloud "Well, she's dead." And surprise! Usually BSG is pretty good about this, but she was marked for death the second she went into the shuttle. And what I really hate about it is that it was absolutely worthless. It was some bit recurring character that did about three noteworthy things thorughout the course of the series, so she didn't even matter, and then some random Six gets axed as well? Who fucking cares? If they would have cut that shit out of the episode, we could have had more good stuff, which the rest of the episode actually was.
I was actually surprised when the Six was shot, I expected her neck to get broken by the other Six while she was kissing her.
I KNOW! She used to get the blood flowing to Mr. Happy regularly during the DS9 days, but now...nuthin'.
Who said that all human form Cylons were created by the Colonials? NO ONE. The Cylons with the help of someone created the human models. Baltar was told by head six that there were 12 models. The Cylons themselves were told that in addition to the 7 there were five more but they weren't allowed to think about them. They also were not allowed to know who they were which is why they didn't recognize any of them in the fleet or on New Caprica. Also remember "All that has happened before will happen again" (something like that) meaning it is more then possible for the five to have come from earth.
I think the Five are a step up from the other Seven as artificial life goes. When the Seven die, they resurrect in the same bodies. Still kind of like a factory. But I think the Five can transcend that. They don't necessarily just end up in exactly the same physical body everytime. They can die and transmigrate/reincarnate/download/whatever into entirely new individuals. And that's how they can be born, grow, and live a long life (like Tigh) without ever knowing their true nature. Currently, the Five are the individuals we know was Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, Tori, and whoever. But at one time, I'm guessing they were other people. Like the five priests who built the Temple Of Five for their God. Did they leave Earth at some point... for Kobol? Did they leave markers along their journey? And did the 13th tribe (also following that same God perhaps) use these markers to make their way back to Earth? Those bodies probably weren't exactly the same as the bodies they currently inhabit. But there is something about them which transcends that. 'Fundamentally different.' Maybe Cylon isn't a name for a race. Maybe it's a name for a religion. What unites the Five and the Seven? Not their origins or programming... but their belief in the One God maybe? Anyway, that's my theory. Ron Moore could shoot that all to hell... but right now it seems to fit all the facts.
I love this show but I still wanna know how ANY of it will make any gods damn sense in the end! Life evolved on Earth, we *know* that, and I remember an old interview with the producers who said they would NOT contradict that...so humans arise on Earth...somehow some get to Kobal at some point in the far past or far future (I mean the worship *ancient* Gods, but quote Shakespeare and know Dylan? What the frak!? Were they kidnapped by aliens!?) So then the leave Kobal, some go one way, some go another (back?) to Earth...but somehow a log of their journey makes it back to the other 12 colobies, and is partially mythologized.... Then Tigh fights in the original war, before the organic toasters were even created...(I still say it would be awesome if she turned out to be Kara's dad...she's a hybrid...would explain a lot, AND the love/hate relationship...) And Kara dies and is magically brought back with a mint condition Viper!? Oh, and then the Final Five are from Earth now!? All I can think is maybe it's either some *far* future, or deep past lost era...you know, the "humans left Earth, went to Kobal, forgot about Earth, went back again, etc..." theory) and that maybe somehow the "Final" Five humanoid Cylons perhaps bumped into and interfered with the evolution of the other 7...and maybe they didn't mean it to turn into a bloodbath....or maybe they did, but *they* are the "original programmers".... Maybe the Final Five are not so much Cylon as post-human cybernetic beings??? And we get a nice 1 frakking year break in the season....frakkin' SciFi...
What's that line about how it all happened before, and it's happening again? Maybe that has some importance! I'm just gonna watch it, wait for the answers, and not think about it. It's easier that way.
Well, to end the show on the same note as it played, Earth would need to be a nuclear wasteland - and the final frames would be thirty base stars coming out of hyperspace around the fleet.
No info about Earth ever got back to the colonies. Not sure what you are talking about there. Colonial myth is that 13 tribes left Kobol. One went to Earth and 12 went to the Colonies. The 12 tribes, now colonies, never heard from the 13th tribe again. They didn't even know Earth existed until the fleet made its way to Kobol and they found the chamber with the stars in them. Earth and the 13th tribe in colonial history were myths to the colonial people. It wasn't real. There's no telling how much the Cylons knew about Earth from whoever created them although we do know they were on Kobol before the colonials found it. Head Six also seems to know about it in detail.
Actually, rewatch the first season again, that priestis lady was always reading about the journey to Earth when she read from her religious scrolls. And when they finally found that Arrow of Apollo or whatever, and entered the Tomb of Athena, that planetarium light show was the view from Earth. Laura even pointed at the 12 constellations of the zodiac and said something like "and they looked up in the sky and could see their brothers and sisters." But the constellations are only patterns we see from Earth...move light years away, they change. Somehow some info got back, and it became mythologized. Kinda like that whole old story of that merchant (forgot his name) who survived on a barge with his family and some livestock in a big flood, that some think became the Noah's Ark & Gilgamesh flood stories...
