Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

So which side is it exactly that’s obsessed with what’s in children’s pants? I say let children behave as they please without regard to their sex. It’s the folks with a liberal view of these medical interventions who are keen to align biology with gender stereotypes, and who see it as problematic if they don’t align.

 

Again, it is not liberals making trans kids. They have existed forever. The trans kids are already trans when they tell their parents and others.

You are just a bigot who wants to inspect children's genitals. Go away because inspecting kids genitals and then telling them what you want them to be does not change who they are. It only makes you a sick pervert.

 

repeating context...

 

He and FF are saying trans kids don't exist.

Why?
Cuz they say so.

Go down that rabbit hole long enough, they appeal to "science".
Then you debunk their "science", and they go back to "cuz I say so".

Go down that rabbit hole again, they pull out their debunked "science" again like you didn't debunk it already hoping you forget.

A lot of their arguing relies on bad memory.
They're used to winning arguments with people as dumb as them that way.

 

Of course they do not exist according to great scientists like Fucker Carlson and Joe Rogan. These are the same people who think COVID is some false flag that does not exist so we can all be injected by 5g microsoft nanobots.

To what extent do parents want to torture and abuse their kids for not abiding by gender norms that they would take advice from an internet bigot rather than an actual doctor? OK, so your precious little boy actually is a little girl, and now you have to beat that shit out of her because she does not play with GI Joe and that makes daddy's dick defective. It is really the parent's mental problem and complete cowardice. Their kid can st6and up for themselves and say what makes them happy, but they cannot tell their peers to STFU. It is so bad that they have to torture and assault parents who are not gigantic wussies and actually fight for their children.

Why is it @Rimjob Bob or @Federal Farmer 's business what other people do with their kids? Because it reflects on their cowardice and morals when other parents actually show compassion and courage, and now the fascists have to go get Desantis and Abbot to abuse others for them.

Rimjob, UA, FF, and all the rest of the trump army need to get the courage of their convictions and down the bottle of bleach. After you guys follow your leaders then yo0u can come talk to the rest of us as to why we should follow orange idiot. Until you are done with your bottle of bleach you can STFU because you do not believe in your people, and neither should we.

 

Which one of us is intervening in a child's life to tell them they can't have the feelings they have? That claim those children are being manipulated by the people who actually care about them? You know, like the hardcore conservatives still do to LGBT+ kids?

I knew that I was different as a kid. I knew. I didn't yet know I was trans until much later because I didn't even know that such a thing existed, but I knew I was attracted to girls and boys as a child, and it scared the fuck out of me because I was in a fundamentalist Christian family. The suicide rate amongst LGBT+ children and teens is high, and you know why? Do you know why? Because of people like you, who deny those identities and replace it with your own ignorance on the subject. Now we have children being subjected to genital examinations because they might be transgender.

It's none of your business. It is truly none of your business, and yet you think you have the right to dictate how kids can see themselves when it comes to who they are inside. All you're doing is signing off on their death certificates, because why? Why, @Rimjob Bob?

 

Again, when you widen the scope of history, gender roles have never been carved in stone, pink and blue used to be reversed, and baby/toddler boys wore dresses.
Baby FDR had a dress.
That should have turned him into the gayest president ever.
Nope, he was quite the womanizer.
Which is impressive, what with him being in a wheelchair.

Doesn't matter how much you point this out, Bob and FF pull a .
Or a "but Jordan Peterson tho!! ".
Which is the exact same thing as in my book.

 

The GLBT community undermines the core of the sexist worldview of lesser people. If heterosexual males are not the best most awesome humans ever then people like @Rimjob Bob have to put themselves in competition with women too. Of it is preferable for some men to be women then he is not default awesome.

The sexism in society is so deep that even a large portion of women do not think they are people like hetero cis males. This shit goes way back to our evolutionary predecessors. Some humans are trying to evolve and rimjob is sitting there grunting out orange man good women bad. He must beat up on different people because if they win then he has to face his own self belief that he sucks orange shit.

 

Bigots silently believe in race treason, and privilege treason.
Black/brown allies/advocates are race traitors.
Rich people who tattle on their class are privilege traitors for classism.
Trans women are privilege traitors for sexism.
How DARE you give up your male power?
That's spitting in the face of the whole clubhouse.
It's like being a rich person who hates golf.
Hell, the anti-golf person will probably be called the same gay slurs.

 

I do love how the right has gone from football fans to golf fans because a black guy kneeling melted them all down. The only sport that you could play in a fucking ballgown is golf.

 

I thought you said you trust psychologists?

 

Just so our local drunk driving alcoholic knows (This is for you @Federal Farmer ) Trans people have to request a prescription for male hormone blockers. Do you know who gets prescribed spironolactone without actually asking? (That is the anti-T hormone blocker) Alcoholics who destroy their liver get it.

So you better get used to it honey because when your liver goes you will be prescribed the same anti-T hormone blocker that is being referred to as a puberty blocker.

This is because this is not some new thing called a puberty blocker. This is old school hormone therapy and medication you will some day use or die you alcoholic POS. Can't wait to see your bitch tits.

 

Most alcoholics have bitch tits already.

I mean, so I heard.

 

Actually, I would never trust a psychologist who is obviously against 99 percent of the rest of them for the purpose of political profits over his medical practice. Jordan Peterson is the embodiment of malpractice. This is why people who care about their health do not go to quacks who sell out their mental health for some right wing likes on their twitter account.

If you wish to get your personal counseling from a malpracticing idiot then than that is up to you. Peterson has never done any actual peer reviewed research on trans people that has stood up. That means he is wrong.

Since you think Trump is right, then get to drinking bleach ;like your cult leader told you to. Get back to us when you live by their advice.

 

They get so much bigger. They go especially well with the shitting tube, or the scar from it.

 

Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Steven Nissen (the Cleveland Clinic) are two thoracic surgeons. Do they both carry the same level of authority when speaking on medicine, or is it possible that one has an agenda that results in great harm to others because they are blinded to their ideology?

I'm speaking of Dr. Oz, by the way, who is anti-vaccine, and anti-mask, and who shills terrible homeopathic medicines for piles of cash, and fuck Oprah for promoting that bullshit, but that's another story entirely.

 

When I think of good medical advice, I certainly think of someone who went on a carnivore diet, got addicted to benzos, ignored the advice of every addiction specialist that he had to slowly wean off the drug, went to Russia to cold turkey it, and almost died from benzo withdrawal AND covid.
That's a brilliant mind that everyone should respect.

 

Well, I needed something to look forward to, thanks.

 

We should remember that Jordan Peterson and every other so called psycholigist on the right were once considered correct. Then we actually did research and experiments and found out they were all wrong, or worse yet quacks who tried to rip off their patients with conversion therapy. None of this is new.

every one of these anti-trans opinions was destroyed by actual research and peer review. It took a huge fight with facts that shrinks did not want to admit to. The battle was so overwhelmingly in favor of trans people existing and transitioning to some extent making their lives more positive in a world full of abuse and consequences for it that the whole medical community changed their minds.

The only people still pulling the anti-trans and anti-gay conversion psychology are charlatans and criminals.

 

The right.

Period fucking dot.

I don't see states like California mandating genital checks for grade schoolers to play T-Ball or Pop Warner football.

Agreed.

Again, no one in the United States is opting into this for funsies, if only because our miserable joke of a medical system has made that to be particularly cost prohibitive. No one of any age gets GRS without strict observation and that includes children, whose parents are told to let them socially transition as soon as possible with clothing choices and hairstyles. And you have places like TX trying to ban even that.

 

Liver failure is fucking horrible if you survive the initial failure or scarring. One of the more entertaining things I saw was when a person's abdomen fills up with what looks like broth. You think bitch tits are bad, wait until you have your abdomen fill with gallons of human broth that has to be drained. Not to mention the toxins tend to hit every other system while the liver is gone. So if you survive your bones, teeth, muscles, and digestive tract all get fucked.

If my liver ever fails like that I am eating a bullet before the delirium kicks in.

 

point of order!
Peterson doesn't have a practice... he's clinical research.

 

You've got quack shrinks today who practiced bullshit hypnotic regressions that planted bullshit Satanic abuse memories in kids during the Satanic Panic that can't admit they did wrong.
They just can't live with the horror they inflicted, the families they ruined, the innocent people they got locked up, so they have to live in a chickenshit dream world that they were right.
Cognitive dissonance and self justification are a fucking bitch.
Don't expect the anti trans doctors to be any better.
Or JK Rowling on her death bed.
She's gonna be in Baltar level denial to the bitter end.

 

Oh, you mean my morning piss.

 

I lost count how many times the response to my unrelated point was YOU'RE obSESSed wiTh ChiLDreN'S GeNitALs!

The usual suspects have no interest in a charitable, good-faith discussion. So be it.

 

I have no desire to be charitable about whether or not the living experiences of trans kids are a matter up for debate. It's not a debate, and you don't want a good faith discussion, you want trans people to center your feelings in their lives. Your willful ignorance is not permission to play with the lives of trans people as if it's some kind of theoretical problem. So no thanks, cisgender debate bro, I guess I'll just have to miss out the illuminating discussions we'd have like "do kids really know what they are?" and "does she have a penis? If she does she can't play girls basketball, someone check and see if she has a penis."

The loss is mine.

 

Even so, if he had actual evidence of his position then he does not present it to @Federal Farmer and the internet. He presents it to the medical community. Instead he has decided to Mike Lindel and say he has evidence that he never ever presents to the medical boards who establish treatments and procedures and handle licensing. He tries to get it regulated by Trump, MTG, Ghomert, Botard, and Joe Rogan when there are proper channels to establish medical care. This is because it used to be the way he claims it is and that has been so thuroghly debunked as quackery.

They should be taking any professional certifications and licenses away from Jordan Peterson for his obvious lies. It is one thing to be a pillow salesman or failed real estate millionare, but he is claiming stuff that is absolutely debunked based on his reputation.

 

heheheheh! It would have been nice had my friends been able to relieve themselves of the broth, but no. I am not sure exactly what the broth is, but the fluid does not come out when you piss.

 

When you are entering the discussion with absolutely no idea how trans kids get prescribed hormones, you were never here on a good faith discussion to begin with.

Every step of the way the trans person has to fight for treatment against society. This is why it does not happen against the patient's will. This is not a vaccine you are forced to take. This is medicine and treatment you have to fight for. Since you start with the lie that some liberal doctors and parents are forcing this on kids, you are lying.