Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

I honestly don't know.

I actually don't believe transwomen are the problem. Autogynephiles, predators et al are a different ballgame. They're not transwomen, but ID as them.

Regular cis males are already raping and murdering and molesting and assaulting girls in the UK all the time. It happened yesterday. It's happening today.

What gender segregation measures do you support to keep vulnerable women safely out of the reach of men, some of who may be predators?

Perhaps women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house without a male family member to protect them?

But all of those things can occur between family members as well... Perhaps men shouldn't be allowed anywhere that women might be found?

Spin it on it's head. Do you believe that sex-based (not gender) segregation is unnecessary? If so, why?

Ok, perhaps not in the UK. But, even in the UK, if a man wants to get at a woman, they aren't going to wait and fill out paperwork.

Well, that's tragic. and serious mistakes were made. ...

... I was going to say anyone convicted of violence against women should not be allowed access to women's prisons, but ... many women have committed violence against other women. So, I can see how this mistake was made.

But, it is, just one mistake.

They're not.

I agree.

Why yes. But we don't let them in shelters because of that very fact, do we?

Oh, I don't know, some system of shelters that protects women from domestic abuse and sexual assault if they feel they need a safe space to go to.

Are you a fucking idiot?

Yes, but then, that's why the shelters exist.

You know, the topic of this conversation.

What is it about this topic that turns off people's brains?

Thanks for playing.

FUCK!

I just remembered gay people exist, and surely some of them are rapists and murderers. We need to find a way to protect innocent men from gay male predators pretending to be straight. But we also need to find a way to protect innocent women from straight male predators pretending to be gay. We can't just let people self-identify as gay or straight, it's an issue of safety.

Lesbians can be rapists too. Better not let any cis women into the women's shelters either. It's too dangerous!

Nice to know you are against women's shelters as they currently exist.

How absolutely enlightened of you.

Being assraped in the public bathroom is something I fear constantly.
I wake up in cold sweats over it.
80's teenage sex comedies assured me that this was a thing that could happen, and 80's teenage sex comedies couldn't possibly be lying.

I'm sure @Order2Chaos won't find this satisfactory either, but here you go, professor. A fuck ton more at the link.
https://www.genderhq.org/trans-youth-side-effects-hormone-blockers-surgery

UNISEX SINGLE BATHROOMS WITH LOCKS ON THE DOORS IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE

BARS AND RESTAURANTS AND LIBRARIES AND OFFICE BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE ALREADY DO THIS AND IT WORKS JUST FINE

FUCK

According to this quote from The Guardian, 48% of transgender inmates in England and Wales are convicted sex offenders. Of course there's no detail in that, but in the prison system overall 20% of convictions are for sex offences, which indicates these apparently transgendered inmates have a higher incidence of predatory behaviour.

I'd question how many of those apparently transgendered inmates are genuinely gender dysphoric.

** EDIT I quoted wrong stats

Oh, look, another strawman. Any way you can respond to what I actually posted as opposed to the voices in your head? I guess it is easier to take the moral high ground.

Let's just save this noble thought for the next time you start painting with a broad brush on some topic, shall we?

Hey, I never called you a crypto-fascist, cuz you're not.

Lubak is though.

This would be my solution, but I suspect it would be found insufficient because it allows the owner to sidestep being forced to recognize some individual's identity in terms of their choosing. These things always seem to take an authoritarian bent, and that is where I take an interest. Step one pinkie toe outside the boundaries of "live and let live," and it's the clamps.

Never seemed to be a problem here.

Says the guy who thinks cis males pretending to be trans women for rape is a thing.
Be embarrassed.

Please elaborate or is this a living in your head rent free kinda thing

You mean when I said that it never happened but at some point it will, and society should have a discussion if mitigating that risk is worth other potential issues.

So yet another strawman you throw out.

What's that, four? I never stated a thing about bathrooms, but you guys trot that out because that's what your dogma tells you to talk about in these circumstances.

To any reasonable human being, there's quite a significant difference between a bathroom and a place that's been labeled a sanctuary for sexual assault survivors.

But that takes thought, and you've shown you can't adapt to any construct that your dogma didn't prepare you for.

Because you've done nothing but argue in bad faith in this instance, and because I'm not a RWNJ you can't get your mind around what I'm saying - you immediately jump to dogma.

Thanks for underscoring my point with such determination.

Once again, I ask you for the harms of puberty blockers, once again you provide a "nobody knows* but here's a potential harm for something that can come after puberty blockers." If a transwoman is so worried about this, she can stop taking puberty blockers at 18 and grow sufficient penile tissue to have a penis inversion.

*but there's not even a case study showing harm or irreversibility.

Find me one, literally one case of "someone was harmed by puberty blockers alone."

"Nobody knows" (which, frankly, I'm not remotely sure is true, as I wouldn't expect any of the sources you're using to report evidence that there was no harm) is not sufficient.

Edit: the cited reddit post is still available, and it seems the consensus is that the surgeon for the friend was incompetent. https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransge...ave_no_clue_what_to_do_daughter_cant_get_the/

Edit 2: wording changes for clarity.

I guess you didn’t click the link and read the rest and you also didn’t click this which, from what I can tell isn’t a biased source?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26119518/

I also want to add that it doesn’t look like the blog post I linked to is a biased source. I checked to see if it was and I didn’t see anything indicating it was.

What? No
You Americans are so fucked up

You are quite incorrect about the drugs you are speaking about. These are far from new drugs as they have purposes well outside HRT for trans people. spironolactone is often the prescribed T blocker is used to treat high blood pressure and things like liver swelling. It prevents heart disease and is gentle enough to be used to treat patients with liver scarring. It is cheap and has few side effects. It has been around for long periods and the side effects are well known by doctors. It is not some new substance and many people are prescribed it every year.

Female hormones for HRT are Birth control. Birth control is medicine given out to many people for a number of conditions. It is well known and has been around forever. There are multiple different versions, and a patient's health is monitored when undergoing SRS for things like potassium build up and problems with the pancreas. It also seems to be better monitored for SRS than it is for female use.

Stop believing the lies promoted by some MMA dufus. I know that the media loves to pretend this is something brand new, but these medicines are well known and their uses and side effects are well documented. This is not new, and it is not dangerous when given under a doctor's care.

Off to a bad start....

...and crash, and explosion, and chain explosion down a whole city block.

Be more embarrassed.

Self ID is not a thing. Do you know the process to actually getting your gender changed? Obviously not. This is such a bullshit lie by the ignorant. You do not just call yourself a woman and get that status. If you were a sexual predator who dressed as a woman to get into a bathroom....Well, first no sexual predator does that as they would just walk into the bathroom and rape women. There is no lock or guard at the door. Why even go through the process when even a trans woman would be arrested for assault if they assaulted a woman in the bathroom. Beiong trans does not give you any legal pass to harm a woman or man. We are still subject to assault and rape laws like everyone else.

So you are an intellectually dishonest actor making shit up. let us just label you a fucking transphobic liar right here.

To go on, if a cis predator were to put on a dress and claim to be a trans woman so they could do bad things to women in the bathroom they would not be excused any action of assault or peeping. That is peeping, not peeing. The cops would be called, the person would be arrested, and then they would go to court. If they said it was ok because they were trans the court would ask them about their treatment. They would have no medical treatment, which means they were not considered women by law. If they were to go in for HRT they would have testosterone blockers and female hormones which would basically chemically castrate them and destroy their ability to create sperm and even orgasm. It actually beats the purpose of raping a woman when you cannot get hard or ejaculate. Not to mention your sexual drive gets hammered.

At any rate none of this allows you to wander around the ladies room and assault people. You are a liar. You have no idea how any of this works. Just to get your gender changed on an ID you would have to go to court and present evidence you were living as a woman and undergoing psychological and medical treatment for the purposes of becoming a woman.

Do grow the fuck up and educate yourself.

No, I've known her a long time, she's a good person, she's just fallen for propaganda.
The UK has a worse transphobia problem than America for some reason, and the propaganda stream is steady and furious.

Again:

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-6288/spironolactone-oral/details

Let us use the medical term.

Spironolactone is used to treat high blood pressure and heart failure. Lowering high blood pressure helps prevent strokes, heart attacks, and kidney problems. It is also used to treat swelling (edema) caused by certain conditions (such as heart failure, liver disease) by removing excess fluid and improving symptoms such as breathing problems.This medication is also used to treat conditions in which the body is making too much of a natural substance (aldosterone).Spironolactone is known as a "water pill" (potassium-sparing diuretic).[/QUOTE]

The main use of this drug is not for HRT for trans people.

In other words if the serious side effects come along your doctor will stop your prescription. It happened to me with Yaz. When my potassium spiked on that birth control my doctor knew because of monthly blood testing and would not give me any.

You do not know the process. Doctors do not just keep up a prescription when dangerous side effects occur. They actually examine you unlike every anti-trans idiot out there. They have liability for a prescription that causes you serious damage and under law required to stop that prescription even if you really really want it if you show serious side effects.