Charlotte Riots

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  1. Zombie

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    Oh I remember but if you want to go down that statistical route then you have to acknowledge that even though black Americans are a small number of the total population black Americans commit a far greater share of crimes then whites which means that black Americans are more likely to be involved in encounters with police. Hence a higher chance of a violent encounter with police.

    It's a sad undeniable fact but black America is plagued by a violent crime wave largely against itself.
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    Hey don't blame us. You and others are the ones who support the leftist media who works for the Democrat party who doesn't report on those things.

    And what does anti-aging have to do with this? :chris:
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    It is not all bad news, as you said, there are bright spots but that doesn't mean the bad neqs does not exist. Just look up who gets arrested fpr pimping pandering here in town and about 80% are young black males with the rest being recent Asian immigrants. We are talking a city which is 3% black yet black males specialize in several high profile criminal fields here so, yes, crime rates do matter.
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  4. Tuttle

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    Probably not. I think to normalize the data, using approx. numbers, multiply the # of whites killed by 5, or divide the # of blacks killed by 5. Actually more like 4.5 or something (52/11.5) A lot of assumptions are baked into that oversimplification, and original data are probably biased or not directly translatable. But it's a much better picture of whether or not there is persistent & systemic bias than using absolute numbers. Assuming one agrees there is a causal connection between police activity and criminal activity.
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    I'm not denying that. :shrug:
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    I said probably are not over represented.
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    But you also said "correctly", and I'm wondering where you got that from other than YO.
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    He was a good boy who was just getting ready to turn his life around when he pulled that gun on the police officer. His momma tells us what a great 27 year old "kid" he was despite the 15 arrests for things ranging from attempted murder, to armed robbery, to drug dealing. Oh, sure, he spent 1/3 of his 27 years of life in prison as a hardened criminal and repeat offender but the racist white cops framed him and he was just misunderstood.
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    Who are you talkng about?
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    I'm well aware of the fact that black females are the most educated group around - but I don't hear that on the news too often. You can't "cherry pick" what you don't hear, right? Maybe the media needs to step up their game. And no, I don't just follow Fox News - I follow other sources, but all these sources have to make a profit in addition to putting any political spin on the news. What I'm saying is BLM seem to be losing any credibility they had when they jump on shit before they get all the facts about any incident. Yes everyone knows rioters are not BLM and BLM does make it clear that they do not support rioters.
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    The best part of the Obama Administration is all the racial healing.

    Death to Blacks.

    They started it, so fuck'em.

    I feel racially healed, because electing Obama was all about healing.
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    Perhaps it's time to find a board more to your liking?
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    My guess would be the local shooting that happened here last night

    http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/09/28/no-weapon-found-at-scene-of-el-cajon-sho?videoId=369975465

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ack-man-leads-to-protests-in-san-diego-suburb
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    Except that guy didn't pull a gun according to reports I've read. I'm curious about what he was holding, because the pictures released sure make it look like he's pointing a gun at the police.
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    From what I saw it looked like he had one of those electric cigarettes.
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    I don't even know where to begin with the El Cajon shooting. The guy was obviously on something or nuttier than squirrel poo. I mean why pretend you have a gun and point (what ever it was) at the cops like it was a gun? All that will happen is the cops will pull out a real gun and shoot you which is exactly what happened.

    It seemed to be a startled pull on the trigger. One of the cops fired the taser and the other cop was so tense when he heard the taser deploy he pulled the trigger. This is what happens when people are dancing on the edge, mistakes get made and shit spins out of control.
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    He's has mental health problems from what I read and the sister called the cops on him.
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    Perhaps in the interests of saving lives, the police should TASER/mace people as soon as they become uncooperative or begin acting strangely.

    Whether you think there's a racial element or not, we've seen lots of instances where people acting peculiarly during a police confrontation escalates to them getting dead.
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    I was just beginning to think that.

    As soon as he started acting funky with them they should have just tased him on the spot.

    Of course then people would complain they are using the Taser too much. But it would be better then him being dead.
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    Yes, this is what I read. Apparently the guy wasn't able to take care of himself for what ever reason so he was living with his sister. She called the cops saying he wad off his meds and behaving eratically, screaming and yelling, walking around in the middle of a busy street, and generally have a full episode. I do think the cops could have handled this better but I wonder how much dispatch relayed to the officers prior to arriving on the scene.
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    Perhaps not. Perhaps police simply shouldn't overly concern themselves with gaining compliance from people who are merely being uncooperative or behaving strangely. Perhaps running around tasing people who are in need of mental health help or who just don't want to cooperate with the police is not a good idea. Perhaps police should worry less about whether they've been shown "proper" respect and obedience and more about engaging with people in a way that makes them want to be cooperative with the police.

    Every person tased by the police for no good reason becomes a thousand people with what they justifiably feel is a good reason to say "fuck the police."
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  26. Paladin

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    I don't think that's realistic. The police can't simply let uncooperativeness or non-compliance slide. Not only would that make it difficult to perform their duties, it would also open them to serious risk of harm. For example, how do you know the guy who's acting stoned/mentally ill isn't really a bad actor just getting you to lower your guard?
    If it results in fewer situations escalating to people getting shot, perhaps it would be a worthwhile exchange.

    And, while I have sympathy for those who are mentally ill, I have little for those who are uncooperative with the police--even if they believe they have good reason to be.
    With many of these cases we've seen, the cops have behaved quite reasonably.
    Maybe, but a person wrongfully tased doesn't make national news. A person wrongfully shot (or who may have been) does.
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  27. Quincunx

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    The lesson is, don't call the police on anybody you don't want shot. It's the only tool in their kit.
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    The police respond to thousands of calls a day, and the vast, vast, vast majority of their responses are handled professionally and involve no violence whatsoever. And in the few instances that do escalate into violence, the police are very often justified in using it.

    It's pretty simple: when dealing with the police, be civil (if not courteous) and be cooperative. If you have a problem with how the police are doing their job, save it for later; arguing with the cops is counterproductive, and resisting them is downright foolhardy. Under no circumstances be provocative or threatening. Very few people who hold to this will be in danger from the police.
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    There are people without the mental capacity to understand and follow those rules. Their caretakers would be well-advised not to involve the police if their behavior becomes erratic.
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    Here's the problem with the TASER: most have an effective range of about ten yards. Both probes have to hit, and bulky clothing can get in the way. However most handguns have an effective range of about 25 yards. :( Thus if somebody might have a gun you have to be well, well within their range to deploy you TASER. :bergman: Kind of like fighting a guy with a ten inch reach advantage. Oh and to really make it bad for you, they have twice the punching power.