Civil unrest and the military.

Trump doubling down...

I dunno why you or anyone expects anything better from him at this point. He hasn't turned face, Trump is exactly the same gutter rat he's been since the 80s. The same elitist snob the GOP saw him as before he started pushing white nationalism. And in the event that he does lose in November, he won't accept defeat with any kind of dignity or grace. We know this.

At some point it seems like there is going to be a moment behind closed doors where they politely but firmly tell Trump he has the options of shutting the fuck up and sitting down, or trying to use the military and facing them not following illegal orders.

If it does happen we'll probably never hear about it.

The retcon today is that it wasn't teargas that parted the Red Sea for Der Drumpfenfuhrer to make his historically comical photo-op, but pepper spray.

Now, I'm no expert on pepper spray, but I know what teargas looks like.

I look forward to @oldfella1962 explaining how I'm wrong.

trump has something on every one near him. That’s how he gets away with stuff. The people he didn’t have anything to blackmail, he got rid of.

Pepper balls (paintball-like projectiles filled with an o.c. irritant) are what they claimed to use the other day and that the white smoke was from that, produced by smoke canisters.

Regardless, o.c. type irritants and tear gas both have the same effect when used on large groups.

I speak from personal experience with both (as well as military and civilian smoke canisters).

Pepper spray/tear gas is really a matter of semantics when you get down to it.

Useful information, thanks. I guess my next question would be: Which would clear away faster so Donnie-boy's eyes wouldn't get irritated?

Pepper balls would have less...volume...compared to setting off CS (tear gas) grenades or canisters. The effects are less persistent than CS as well.

20-something years ago I covered a standoff with an armed man which ended with police tossing tear gas into the neighborhood grocery where he was holed up. The next morning a reporter and I went out to do a follow-up on how the owners of the grocery were cleaning up after their store was partly demolished (they had nothing to do with the incident).

While I was shooting video through a broken window at the front of the store, someone opened a back door and the draft through the building stirred up all the CS residue that was coating everything inside. I got a face-full of it and even my forearms were stinging later on (moisture/sweat interacting with the tiny CS particles is what causes the burning sensation).

Took me right back to the gas chamber from Army basic.

When I worked at a bowling alley years ago we had a situation where a guy was fleeing after smashing up a bottle shop and was chased into the centre by the cops. We had to shut down half the place for a couple of hours because of the pepper spray.

Is it? In basic training, my mask was too big for my face. No matter how hard I tried, it wouldn’t keep a seal. I spent the entire time in the tent breathing in whatever gas that was. Not saying it was pleasant, but I didn’t puke. I’d be afraid to get hit with pepper spray.
No questioning your answer, just questioning the difference between the two.

Bottom line: I doubt even Lil Kim is as terrified of his own people as Donnie-boy.

I'd hate to get hit with actual pepper spray liquid, like from those spray cans you can buy or that cops use. I have been in close proximity to them in use, though, and the aerosol effect in the air wasn't much different than CS gas like from the gas chamber: irritating to the eyes, skin, and breathing.

In the group of media I was with I was the only one who stood my ground, though, because I'd been exposed to it before and could deal with it.

I’m an eternal optimist. I always hope for the best in people.

or as I like to call it Tuesday!

I hate it when that happens

I've been a few military units where guys (and gals) actually had that kind of bad luck!

Reminds me of the time I covered a fire at a swimming pool chemical manufacturer in St. Petersburg. It was really nasty. The company didn't have accurate records of what was burning and the fire fighters had to try several different tactics before they figured out that they were going to have drown it with massive amounts of water. Anyway, the fire was still going during the five o'clock news block and all of the TV stations and even us radio types (this was back when radio did real news) were there. The wind shifted and suddenly everybody was downwind from that shit. It was a glorious sight...reporters, videographers, photographers of all types running full tilt boogy out of that gas cloud. No one was hurt, so everyone had a good laugh afterwards, but for a while it brought to mind what it would have been like to cover the '68 Democratic Convention...minus cops swinging their nightsticks, of course. Ahh memories...now back to our regular programming...

I can also speak from experience that burning chlorine isn't as fun as it might seem in the abstract.

Not to worry. The DoJ has decreed that it was all appropriate.

There's more at the link, but that's the essential part.

If the head of the DoJ says it was appropriate, then it must be appropriate, right?

That is some scary dictatorial speak. POTUS wanted to go there, therefore the filthy plebs had to move on.

They used both: https://www.thedailybeast.com/wusa-...sters-after-trumps-st-johns-photo-op?ref=home

Graniteville South Carolina feels your pain! This happened soon after I moved here to the CSRA and it was big news - very tragic indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graniteville_train_crash

Yeah, I remember CS gas training in boot camp. That shit's nasty, but there aren't really any long-term effects unless you suck in a really massive dose. In the Navy we also did a "smoke house" thing where we went into a room filled with the smoke of various (hopefully non-toxic) burning stuff. This was part of firefighting training. I found that much worse than the tear gas.

ugh... they gave us that in army cadets. a four roomed building where the cannister was in the third room.
for shits and giggles when we got to the exit door in hte last room, we had to remove the masks and recite our nine digit social insurance number before being tossed out, choking down the gulp or two we'd inhaled.

yes they make you remove your masks and speak enough/breath enough to make sure you weren't cheating by holding your breath. Side note early morning mask training is the best because the gas really burns the hell out of a freshly shaven face!

Yeah, we took our masks off too. As long as you remember NOT to rub your eyes you got over it fairly quickly once in fresh air. I personally found that short, shallow breaths thru my nose helped deal with the gas better, tho this technique did NOT work with the smoke house.

That's the best way to deal with CS or pepper spray (unless you get some of the actual liquid on you): shallow breathing.