David Archuleta comes out as LGBTQIA+

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  1. Tererune

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    The reality is any word you use will become negative because the right will weaponize it. This leads to my general dislike for changing words every time someone makes the old word negative. There is another reality people get annoyed when the words constantly change because some millenial comes up with a new one. Then if you do not use the new term all the woke kids get angry with you.

    I hang around with older gay people and words like faggot, queer, tranny, drag queen, and other words adopted by the right as slurs are tossed around because people are not ashamed of it. It is called pride. Yes, I suck cock and am a faggot. I am not ashamed of those words, and I like people who do those things. The first transexual person I knew found great happiness in being a sissy boy and owning it. She has a website and makes pictures for people who like it. There are no word police pretending knowing the latest term somehow makes everything good. Wayi back when it stopped being something I was ashamed of and now I wear badges like geek, nerd, and tranny with pride. It internalizes shame to have those negative words be shameful. When you stop being ashamed of it you put it back on the idiot insulting you.

    It is what you do when the trouble comes around to the allies. OK, you use the right pronouns and words to show respect, but when the shit hits the fan most of you turn the other way and let it happen when we could all stand up to the bigot. It is like the people who never say the N word because they think it is wrong, but when you see or hear discriminatory insults in the office or wherever you just STFU and let it happen. It is great you do not use slurs for asian people, but when you walk by some old asian grandmother getting beaten up on the street you look away or at your phone pretending you do not see it.

    I do not even bother with the online woke crowd because i learned way back on usenet that it is really just a weapon they use to toss out someone they do not like, even if they are obviously part of the community.

    The more groups you getr the more groups you have to include in legislation because if you are not mentioned then it is legal to discriminate. How about we just go with discrimination is bad? Nope, we have to leave a legal loophole for the right to insult people.
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    I would beware it becomes an addiction you really do not want to give up. Of course, I did not bother with the half way point. I just dressed in a horribly fitting flowery dress at a rob zombie concert because most of those people back then were a bit more accepting of shit like that. The more I did those things the more I wanted to do things like that, and the happier I was. That meant that it was the less I cared to comply with the rules of people who wanted me to be unhappy for their benefit.

    We should also remember it is not going to be better if somehow they figure out that you do it away from them, or you tone it down for their benefit. They just want a reason to attack you and they will not give you any credit for doing it in another town, dressing in something that is supposedly more acceptable to society, or if you hide it. They lie and say you are in their face and that is what bothers them, but then they are nosy and if they find out you are literally in the closet in you home with the windows closed you are a liar and they are going to come after you anyway.

    But it is true your own comfort does increase the more you do it.
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    So it really just comes down to how much of a fuck do you give.
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    The nearest larger city around here is about 35 miles away, and I'm rarely, if ever, able to drive more than 15 minutes away from home. Now, I can order clothing off of Amazon, though it's a pig in a poke when it comes to proper sizing, but it's likely the only real option I have, but even if I'm able to do that, there's nowhere to go around here where I wouldn't get my ass totally kicked.

    Yeah, this is true. I know that if I get started, I'm not going to want to stop. I've pushed my sexual identity, and orientation, back into the closet more than once and it hurts like fuck every time. The only place I can really say how I feel is here, whether it be WF, Twitter, TBBS, or an anonymous post somewhere. I mean, even if someone wants to kill me, they don't know where I live.
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    I'll never understand why people would possibly give a fuck what other people wear.

    Oh wait, religion.
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    I would be positively fucking ecstatic if not giving a fuck were adequate for everyone wailing about some thing or other. But "live and let live" is no longer good enough for some people.
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    For some people, it never was. For some people, the fact that a segment of the population exists is not good enough. For some people, the fact that a segment of the population exists is reason enough to not live and let live.
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    I realize I would not like a lot of women if I was one. Do you know how many of them try ti fix you so you dress and act like they want? At over 6 feet tall I am a shining beacon towering above others even if I would normally pass for a woman. I am not outed by using the men's room like the right wants. So I just stop giving a fuck. I dress like I like and it is for me. I hate how lots of women have got to tell me how they think I should do it.

    They make TV shows out of it. Oh, you need a make over because your bestie hates how you dress. Do not get me wrong, I would love to play dress up and try on new looks, but if someone tells me my style is wrong you are not my bestie and you can piss the fuck off. Some trannies are the worst. I meet them and the next thing I know they are telling me how i should be wearing something they think is fashionable. Do not do that shit. Yes, I admit that being a giant in a frilly gothic lolita dress is not something you see towering over you every day, but I am not wearing Karen clothing or getting a karen haircut. If I am going casual I am at the point where I am dressing as a guy with some female accesories.
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    It is annoying when you run into the people. Do not expect your friends to help either. The first time it happened I was more pissed at my friend rory for not jumping in because I would have jumped in if someone harassed him for having an upside down cross tattooed to his forehead. He just stood there and watched as I left the attacker kneeling in a pool of his own blood because I broke and bit his face.

    That is the worst part of it all is no one helps. It would be really great if someone could step in and deflect, but if you are in an altercation everyone else just watches. especially if you are in a dress. Thankfully it really has not happened that often. If someone is just going to shout an insult they should just hold it in because I am from fucking NY and the last thing you want is some giant pink candy puff cursing you out for being a dick. I do not stumble over my words anymore.

    I will say some of the greatest fun I have ever had is going out shopping for outfits and trying things on in the store with girlfriends who just do not care either. Then you can recommend things all you want and we are just having a ball. I realize, I do not even want to own some of the dresses and outfits. I just want to go dress up in the store and see how it looks. Let me say I am not normally for a bucket list, but on a tranny bucket list has got to be finding some girlfriends, or a girlfriend and going fucking shopping. Designer stores do not freak out like you think. It is probably because they have seen women do far worse things in the dressing room than some transexual woman is going to do.
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    I don't know your area, and I don't know your interpersonal associations like family, neighbors, etc.

    But I know this.
    I had the same fears, rightfully so because I live in the backwardest corner of goddamn Mississippi.
    But at some point, staying closeted was going to kill me anyway, so I said "fuck it" and plowed ahead.
    The nearest half-ass city to me is 50 miles away and the nearest genuine "lose yourself in the crowd" city is more like 80.
    Not only that, but it was literally a decade before I could financially and logistically get on doctor supervised HRT, before that it was hit-and-miss spells of DIY when I had the money. Nevermind shit that costs real money like therapy (I backdoored that but couldn't have just gone on my own) electrolysis or surgery. From the time I admitted my truth to the world around me to the day I finally got top surgery was over 10 years.

    In the time in between, in the way that redneck religious assholes "read" me - i was a delusional man seeking attention by parading in women's clothes (and nevermind I had to share the town with a gay man, once drag queen, who strictly denies he's trans but started dressing in overtly women's clothes after I came out and survived.

    My point in all this though is that - I survived. I've been scolded in person twice for the restroom, once less than six months after I went 24/7 when a child clocked me, and once by a bitter old lady who works at Walmart. Despite getting all kinds of info that the bigots routinely discuss how they'll beat my ass if they ever catch me in their with their female relation. They haven't. They don't. They likely won't.

    (at least somewhat because I'm white - black trans people take far more physical abuse than we do)

    Now, they mock when they think I don't notice, laugh and sometime take pics (my wife is much better at catching them than me - even though she doesn't actually support my transition she gets PISSED over that shit which is kinda weird but i digress) - they most definately don't hire me, or in any other way make my life easier. But the only one who's ever laid a hand on me is my wife (back in the bad days which old timers will remember)

    Point being, do NOT assume that simply because you live in a highly conservative churcified unrepentant neoconfederate backwater that they will physical attack you. i can't promise they won't but it's much more unlikely than you would suppose.

    I not only survived but, emotionally, I thrived once the darkness in the marriage calmed down.
    You know what I DO regret though?
    Waiting so long.

    I told her my truth just before my 45th birthday. If things go well I'll achieve the last major milestone 13 years later. I'm OLD in terms of how much of my life I have left to live in my true form. I don't know for sure that it would have been easier, or that circumstances might not have played out worse in unpredictable ways - but I sure as hell which I'd known that I could accept myself, and done so, at least a decade earlier.

    Again, I can't possibly give advice from this distance but on that one point - getting physically attacked, I doubt the danger is as great as you fear. It's much more in the other ways they can hurt you, that the law allows and empowers, that we're at risk.
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    "Live and let live" has never in the history of god-damn EVER been the prevailing philosophy of any human society, particularly not any where religion is afoot.

    It is beyond arrogant for the self-identified libertarian to presume "live and let live" is all they need to say about whatever is provoking "wailing"

    When the boot is on your neck, you bitch about it. if you want folks to "live and let live" take it up with the motherfucker in the boot, not the one under it.
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    It's amazing how often libertarianism ends up boiling down to "hey, I don't personally believe that you ought to be punched in the nose; I just also don't believe that anything should be done to prevent it."
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    Pretty sure his statement was agreeing with Derpy Derp and saying any wailing about what you wear should shut the fuck up.

    But, I could be wrong. I'm sure he'll be around soon to correct any misconceptions. By me or anyone else.
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    I'm not religious, and it is at least part of my philosophy.

    You don't say it, you live it.

    It is possible to do neither, and not be guilty of any wrongdoing.
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    It is. But then, telling the person with the boot on their neck to quit whining is not exactly “doing nothing”.
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    The issue a lot of people seem to have is that this is being misapplied.

    Someone being victimised has every reason to speak up and history strongly suggests that only has an impact when the speaking translates to listening.

    I'd love to espouse live and let live as a philosophy, I really would, but whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet each looking at their own agenda it's not going to work.
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    In other words, you refuse to let them be unless their opinions align with yours.
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    It's not a matter of 'their opinions aligning with mine' so much as it is a matter of let other people fucking be.
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    I don't speak for society. I speak for myself, and these are the terms I set for my limited interaction with society.

    I do not try to solve problems I have not caused. "Live and let live" is all I need because I am nobody's oppressor, nobody's obstacle.

    If there is a literal boot on my neck, the time for talk is over. If someone else claims a figurative/metaphorical boot to describe some perceived outrage or impediment in their lives, I go into skeptical mode and start trying to parse hyper-emotional drama-queenery from objectively verifiable events. The basic first question is: Are you demanding something you have no business demanding, from someone who is not subject to your demands? That's virtually everybody, by the way. You don't get to dictate terms or set priorities for other people. You may only demand they stand aside, neutrally and indifferently, for you to act on your own free will at your own expense and inconvenience.
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    So no one should complain about the boot of oppression except for you when people oppress you for standing on their neck when they do not want it. This is the problem with the right wing. They say they are all for freedom but it is only theirs. Then thew go all out of their way to harm others for not doing what they want.

    You do not even know what is going on, by your own admittance to ignorance, but you then claim no one is being harmed despite clear evidence of it happening. This is why no one has faith in you ever doing anything about problems. You simply use your own experience as evidence nothing is wrong while denying anyone else's experience. This is why you just need to be shoved out of the way by people wanting progress. The world cannot keep on trying to both sides things with right wing liars. You can never get to agreement with people on the right who deny the reality of others, so do not wait. Oh, and when UA comes for you for being yourself cut his balls off. Knowing his castration is eminent will keep him silent like the cowardly craven sack of shit he is.
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    Laying aside that every time you cast a vote you choose between those two options, in effect if not in desire...

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    And thus, the raised voices.

    What the unconcerned describe as "whining"
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    Now if only you were the sole arbiter of what constitutes "injustice."

    The unconcerned. Invoked like it's a curse. As if you give two shits about my problems or anyone else who isn't a cheerleader in your personal echo chamber. Climb down off your high horse, and then jump up its ass.
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