Dayton Gay Marriage Derp

Therefore the only reasons I could have in opposing it would be moral and philosophical.

Two cities slightly more real than the world wide Flood, destroyed by an exploding meteor and attributed to 'God' as an effort to explain something completely unknown by the people of the day, and blame assigned to the victims in an effort to make sense of the event by way of allegory.

The catastrophe was in the same class as the Tunguska event in 1908 -- a meteor atmospheric explosion that leveled a good portion of the Siberian forest. Perhaps there was a den of bears that needed smiting

But as it has no effect on your life, as you choose not to practice what you consider sins, it should be of no concern to you what others do.

I and my loved ones still have to live in a world that tolerates and accepts it.

If you have to live next to a sewer it doesn't matter that the fecal matter is not your own.

If you can provide some solid evidence that those cities even actually existed (there are multiple references to them in various documents, however they are often contradictory and would suggest different locations) that would be a start.

FTFY

Your neighbors know well what it means to live next to fecal matter.

However, the GLBT community is full of much better people than you will ever be, and your hatred of them is immoral and based off of really terrible storytelling.

Lay off the stupid pills.

So? It's literally a non-issue save for the resistance against it.

Bad analogy. Sewers have observable negative affects on health; consensual gender preference does not.

Ezekiel 16: 49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Sodom was destroyed because the residents were prideful, greedy, lazy, arrogant, didn't help the poor, and committed abomination. The bible has a long, long list of what constitutes "committing abomination," and it could have been any number of those things. So, yeah, sure, it was all about the butt sex.

So far, I've only been given pretty much "because I said so" as to why I should do what the bible says, with zero supporting evidence that God exists, gives a shit about what we do, and that the bible crowd are right about what this alleged God wants us to do. However, maybe Dayton and others know something I don't. So, when I was driving around looking for stuff that people threw out that I could sell, I prayed. I asked God to reveal himself to me, what he thinks about the GSRM* community, and what He wants me to do about them, if anything. Two minutes later, He responded:


That rainbow was much more impressive in person, because of that optical illusion that happens when things in the sky are close to the horizon that happens to the moon. Anyway, that's a pretty clear message that God's cool with gay people. Also, I'm a prophet now and all the gay-hating churches are heretics.

*GSRM means Gender, Sexual, and Relationship Minorities. It's a more succinct version of LGBTQIAOMGWTFBBQ, so I'm using it now instead of the old initialism people kept adding letters to.

Wait...so you want to outlaw gay marriage in order to save "society as a whole" from being smote by God?

Sewers have a negative affect on health? Try living without sewers.

The idea is not to live right next to one... or in one.

Tell that to the Ninja Turtles.

Considering the location of most sewers and septic systems, you live right next to one.

Um... no.

Then where do you live that you are not right next to a sewer or septic system? Do you have an outhouse?

Which has precisely nothing to do with the validity of gay marriage under modern legal systems.

The validity of gay marriage should not change based on which interpretation of a work of fiction you are reading.

My thought is if there is a god and it was sending a message to people about gay sex it would do better to make it more part of nature than the rambling of some idiots with very human motivations. When we look at nature we see homosexuality all over the place. We see a natural desire for it in people. We see positive relationships based on it. I don't see a gay agenda in animals. I don't see a gay agenda in nature. What I do see is a need to control and take power over people present in humans which is often at the core of anti-homosexual and anti trans motivations. What I do see is a unnatural depression of sexual desires in the religious. What I do see is that depression of sexual desires leads to dysfunctional, violent, and psychotic behavior among humans and animals.

Given those things I feel the healthy and consensual expression of homosexual activities is a part of this whole existence we see, and it is good if you enjoy it and it is not rape. I see no evidence of the religious opposition to it being healthy, and I see a lot of evidence that it is unhealthy to repress sexual desires. The only area I see where there is a negative to homosexuality is in fictional writings of men.

So yes, homosexuality would be good. If I were to make an assumption about any design of a higher power it would have to be that it approves of homosexuality and made it a part of good existence. That is from observing nature and reality and not fiction.

What modern legal systems give, modern legal systems can take away.

Interesting how ardently this principle is held to when it comes to ownership of weapons, and how completely it disappears when it comes to sexuality (and many other things).

I'm not exactly an ardent and enthusiastic defender of the 2nd Amendment Rick if that is what you are referring to.

Cheerio gov’nor! His point seems to have flown completely over your inbred cranium.

It isn't. I'm referring to how hypocritical it is of you to state the principle that you did when you almost never apply it. This is one of the most egregious examples of you wanting to use the power of government to trample peoples rights.

To be honest it might just be worth ending the whole debate right there. Of course legal systems can and do change over time, the point of discussing these things is to acknowledge nothing is set in stone and look for what changes deliver the most benefit to people and make us better societies.

Gay marriage harms no one. No one at all.

It's doesn't undermine society, family values or the basis of marriage, it merely acknowledges that love and family can have a much broader meaning than many people would seem to want. I'm not sure why they would want to narrow that meaning but ultimately they are free to find love in their own way and marriage is merely a legal acknowledgement of that love, not a Christian tradition to be weaponised against people whose sexual expression is distasteful to some church goers.

Somehow I doubt you or the GOP would weep if the major US cities associated with large homosexual populations got smited. Since they usually vote Democrat, an' all.

But that said, the big fella does seem to be taking his sweet time. Could be he either doesn't care, or that he doesn't actually exist.

Perhaps his aim sucks considering he is bowling in the wrong alley with his tornadoes. Maybe someone should tell him to move a few boards to the right or left. Just sayin.

Of course, if he is god and infallible like they say perhaps there is a reason tornadoes go where they go.

Two things here:

1) You're certain that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality? What do you base this on (chapter and verse and appropriate translation)?

2) As you are so fond of saying, you believe that Jesus has done away with the Old Testament, so wouldn't this render your argument moot?

Not at all. The laws and regulations in the Old Testament are not binding upon us today. But just as the Justinian Code is still worth studying even though it is not our law of the land today, so to the Old Testament is worth studying.

So, let's say God did indeed destroy them because of homosexuality (he didn't, though). This shows that God is willing to destroy the wicked en mass when something really pisses him off, right? Do think this holds true today? Would God possibly destroy San Francisco because of the city's homosexual population?

God was willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if there were only ten righteous people there. I would be willing to bet there are far more righteous than than among San Francisco's population.

Besides which the majority of San Francisco's population are not homosexuals.