Death Penalty Opponents-Explain why these monsters should be allowed to live?

Letting violent criminals out (even after multiple sentences with no chance of turning their life around when they are running free) is a recipe for homicide. Sorry but after several incarceration periods for aggravated assault, rape, armed robbery, etc. you should be behind bars for the rest of your life. I understand prisons are crowded, but let's categorize/prioritize into violent versus non -violent inmates and sentence them accordingly - if indeed public safety even factors into releasing inmates of course.

In for profit prisons if you can get out, they were going to push you out. This is not just for corporate profit prison system, but because the state budget for the number of active inmates and people under the supervision of the state there are plenty of government employees who's jobs and income depend on keeping the number of incarcerated up. This has lead to a system that counts people in home imprisonment, rehab, and other forms of state custody not as expensive as prison being county as imprisoned for the purposes of spending taxes. It is better for the prison to age you out and let you die on the street than to take the chance you will hang in there and require more expensive medical care. That is why when some of these lifers get too old and feeble to be harmful they will be put out onto the streets.

They should have put him in solitary. Unless you think that’s too cruel and they should be easy on them? Killing them is a kindness, you pussy.

Nice try, I'm not clicking on a link that is clearly statistics on BJs.

So segregate people who would otherwise be on Death Row from the rest of the population. Simple.

Do find that Pee Wee Gaskins was so short that they had to give him a booster seat in the electric chair to be hilarious though.

I love that movie, seriously I do. It's stupid as hell, but I love it.

I like Son-in-Law, myself.

Where does it say that?

It lists 356 people murdered in prison over a 6 year period.

Doesn't say what the original offences of the killers were.

I'll point this out again, the chances of someone who has previously been convicted of murder doing so again is actually lower than the chances of you or I committing our first murder. The exceptions to that are those involved in gang culture (which is a whole other story), or those with personality issues which predispose them to be high risk and thus warrant secure hospitalisation.

Killing people has never been convincingly or consistently shown to have either a deterrent or public safety benefit, nor is it cheaper than incarceration.

I used to think pauly shore was harmless until I saw where the slippery slope went. The bottom of that pit is filled with Adam Sandler, will farrel, Larry the cable guy, and worst of all tom green. The weasel was the gateway comic to them all. I am truly sorry for my ignorant laughter at his seemingly harmless idiocy.

So if it was shown to be a deterrent, a public safety benefit and could be cheaper than incarceration....you would have no objections to the death penalty?

So much for the "sanctity of life" and BS like that which death penalty opponents routinely bring up.

Yes boy, what are you trying to tell us? Is Timmy in a well? Do you have to go for a walk?

Sometimes I wish the stupid animals could speak english so we could understand what they are trying to tell us.

Look. If the drugs your on are bothering you just have a few drinks and take a nap. Your government check will still be there.

Do you have a single study that shows this? Because the general scientific consensus is that it isn’t a deterrent. It’s just something stupid people say based on nothing.

There’s no reason to have it other than pure fiction and primitive revenge fantasies.

Just to be clear about something I thought was understood here.

What is it you think I do when I'm not posting here?

What exactly is my job?

no idea.

Ewe, he is drooling on my leg.

Bad dog! Bad menchi.

booby hatch concierge?

Strange, I've told you personally more than once.

@Awesome Possum, @Amaris, @oldfella1962, @Ten Lubak, or any one of a dozen or so others fancy telling Dayton why I might have something more than a passing or theoretical investment in the management of very high risk offenders?

@Tracker only remembers things he can attack you with, that is why he is a bad dog.

I literally gave him my life story a few weeks back as an olive branch

Haven't you heard the stories of how @Tracker is known to bite anyone who has ever tried to be pleasant to him? For most people around you would probably get some consideration, but that is one ungrateful mutt. That is why we kick him every chance we get, because we have all tried to help him and been bitten.

Okay @Tracker, you know those very high risk people, that subset of very violent offenders who are considered to be worth assessing at great and thorough length in secure settings? The ones who cannot be housed in regular prison settings because of the challenges they might pose and who need far greater input from a plethora of doctors, psychologists, specialist nurses, psychiatrists, social workers and therapists?

Well there's a guy here in the UK who assesses them and makes recommendations about those risks, someone who spends huge amounts of time locked in closed spaces with these very violent people, someone who not infrequently becomes the target for said violence. Someone who sometimes has to go and re assess them in the community with or without police escorts, someone who has to look at the reality and consequences of their offences first hand and live with the possibility he might screw up and have someone be brutally murdered or (conversely) kept locked up way longer than is fair or necessary if he gets it wrong.

Actually, there are quite a few of us nation wide working from within different disciplines but for the purposes of this discussion we only need to mention one of those people.

That would be.....drum role.....me.

So please, let's not be quite so patronising about the whole virtue signalling thing?

I don't tell you how to coach ball.

Don't tell me how to manage violent offenders.

You’d probably get better results telling a cat. They have better memory than Tracker.

Fair point and I apologize for not remembering your background earlier. In truth I do not remember peoples backgrounds well unless they are consistently supportive of me. Exceptions include a certain immigration lawyer in your country who used to whine whenever I put his occupation in quotes.

Now, please note though when you talk about "managing violent offenders" you're talking about "violent offenders" in the United Kingdom and not "violent offenders" in the United States. I assure you there is a difference and I'm not going into it at length in this thread.

more compassion and love too.

There are differences, but they are societal and systemic rather than being inherent to the individual.

Yabbut it's usually other inmates, which you don't care about, or other cops, which I don't care about.

They're only pro-certain lives.

White and male.

You havent been around him long enough.

Ask him about the last time he slapped his wife.

I think prison needs to be less survival of the fittest and more about corrective justice and integration into society, but besides that I agree here.

What makes you think I don't care about other inmates? One of my best friends (at that time) was in prison for more than four years.