Did the Right side win the The Civil War?

So did the right side win the U.S. Civil War? Judging the state of the country (and the world) these days, I'm not convinced that it did. The powers of the Federal government have spiraled out of control far beyond what the framers of the Constitution ever had in mind.

What say you WF? Which side should have won?

I hear Mewa running to his computer as I type this.

The problem is this: the South won. Oh sure, they were pretty down and out until about 1876...then reconstruction ended and Johnny Reb started a smarter, long range offensive.

So, now, circa 2007, the North has effectively lost but no one seems to have noticed. Look back, most of the "red" states used to be "grey" states.

Proving that Robert E. Lee wasn't the south's best general, but rather names like Atwood, Gingrich and Rove are the true heroes of the south.

Gods, where is Muad Dib? This may be his second in command in disguise!

Slave owners sniveling about their rights?

Yeah, that sentiment needed a punch in the nose.

Glad we won.

You could say the same of the founding fathers, and the revolution.

The problem with the Civil War is that two very importants issues were at odds: states' rights in the federal system and the denial of human beings their natural rights.

Looking back, it's too bad both sides couldn't have managed to win somehow.

As it is, the loss of the power of states as a bulwark against the federal government is a tragedy and will be continually troublesome. But the keeping of human beings in slavery was simply immoral and hypocritical, given what we claimed to believe.

If only one side could win, the better one did.

Yes. The side for truth, Justice, and the American Way won.

Well, justice won, no doubt about it. Truth probably won, too. But, make no mistake, the American way lost more than a little bit.

Some of the founding fathers, yes.

The revolution?
No.
Royalty was naked tyranny.

Yes in some ways - end to slavery.
No in others - political centralisation.

Wars aren't a clean surgical tool for deciding moral issues.

There's always a jaggedy chainsaw-shreddy turkey thread sewn gash after.

Both sides lost.

100% yes the right side won. The Confederacy was the most shameful creation this country has ever produced.

really...

The vast majority of confederate troops in the war were poor men who certainly never owned any slaves. They fought, not because of some great love of slavery, but because they were at war damn it, and the north was attacking!

My heart bleeds.

Yes, really.

Obviously you haven't seen Survivor 2021: Ireland!

They fought because people were there, they didn't fight for the Confederacy, but the Confederacy wouldn't have existed in the first place if a bunch of rich slave owners didn't feel threatened that their institution was about to be contained.

Yeah, the slaves should have waited until plantation owners finally got sick of money.

The federal goverment had every right to regulate the spread of slavery as it saw fit. It had been doing it since the founding fathers were around.

[wise ass comment] The needs of the many out way the needs of the few. [/wise ass comment]

Take one for the team, eh?

I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Nazi soldiers never killed a single Jew.

Let's also not forget the three-fifths rule gave slave holding states disproportionate power in Congress. They had nothing to bitch about.

Care to explain that answer?