Divorced parents clash over 12-year-old son's circumcision

I don't know the full medical facts and you've not quoted any concrete ones either, and have been very carefull to not set your opinions in stone but is this opinion that Roundheads look better than Cavaliers(English civil war tie in ) an American thing? If so, then wouldn't that stand to reason that it's because they're...*ahem* 'introduced' to circumcised men far more than uncircumcised men? I'm not sure of the numbers but I'd guess it's gotta be something like 70-80% in favour of men having the cut in the States?

I wonder what the UK womens feelings are on the asthetics of both?

Well, the father is converting to Judiasm...

Well, I guess I know of one divorced father who shouldn't be allowed custody or visitation of his child . . .

Again, that's not a valid argument against circumcision. You cannot simply dismiss something that reduces HIV transmission rate by 50% because something else reduces it by 99%. What happens when you COMBINE the two? This is people's LIVES we're talking about.

I understand your point but it's not entirely true. I'll spot you this one in the interest of harmony and good trans-atlantic relationships.

I'll grant you that.

I know of at least two British women who were very appreciative of my circumcised penis as compared to the circumcised penises that they were used to.

Hasn't done any harm either. I can't possibly imagine how my penis can be any less sensitive than yours. It's plenty fucking sensitive, I'll tell you that much.

Ok let me dig up the links here in a little bit. Not this post, but in an upcoming one.

MY opinion is that the Father in question here should be incarcerated if he tries to get his 12 year old son circumcised against his will. The medical benefits exist, but they don't make it so appealing that it's worth forcing your kid (who's fully aware of the pain) to go through with it. If you don't get your kid cut at birth or very, very soon after, you better wait til he's old enough to decide for himself if he wants to bother with it.

My argument with Dan is that the position "its completely unnecessary, if anything its only a detriment" is completely unfounded.

As I mentioned to Dan, I do have the ummmm... "survey results" from at least two British women, and they were A-OK with the cut penis.

I've said before, I've only seen circumcised men in porn, so I've not direct experience, but there's something about tempting the fella out of his collar...

Circumcision and HPV

Circumcision isn't just good for the man, it's good for his partners!

Well I was only referring to you options on foreskins, not the case in general. I must make myself better understood

Thing is, you can pull up some medical statistics that say it's healthier and I'm sure, if I muster enough enthusiasm to really care, some numbers that refute said medical statistics. It then turns in to a stupid hash of a million other posts.

I'm inbetween you and Dan(not literally thankfully!) There might well be some medical benifits to it but there are medical benifits to not eating junk food, not smoking, not drinking alcohol, not partaking in certain activities ect..but how much do we pay attention to them? Certainly not enough for me to warrent chopping badly needed bits of Little Scruff off I can tell you!

As for the asthetics, OH has never said she dislikes it and that's good enough for me IMO. If it ain't broke, don't go messin'

I would agree with that in a rep comment, but that opens up all sorts of wrongness

I remember being amused at the joke on Northern Exposure where Shelley hadn't ever seen an uncircumcised penis before and asked why it had a turtleneck on.

Oh sure, I agree with you. Quite frankly, although I have my particular opinion on this topic, I don't think I care enough about it one way or another to spend as much time on it as I have already today. It's just that it's a slow morning at work so I haven't much else to argue about.

Think yourself lucky. I've got a freshly burned copy of Heroes 1x20 staring at me and I can't watch it until OH gets home

Oh shit! That sucks. If that's the episode from last night (here in the States) then I fully enjoyed that one. It's a bit different from the normal episode but highly critical to overall plot of the season.

Don't spoil it for me!

I've already read every spoiler on the net and I don't need you doing it too Daniel!

I wanna put in a vote for uncut. First time I saw a circumcised was in porn and it SCARED ME. Tis freakish and wrong.

Ex-boyfriend got circumcised at 19 for medical reasons. It hurt like fuck, we were both glad during the healing time that we were in a long distance, and he lost sensation. HOWEVER given the problems he had before, the loss of sensation was worth it. But I'd never get my kids circumcised unless I had to. If I ever marry a jew, we're probably going to clash over that point...

Lets be honest here; the male member is hardly the most attractive appendage Mother Nature conjoured up. It looks like the last frozen chicken that not even the elderly want to steal and put under their hat.

That being said, like Batman, it looks much better in a cowl*


*no Flow, I'm not going to rate your tadger. I've told you that's Mrs Flows cross to bear

I guess women might have a preference to which they like better.. but if they made it a 'deal breaker', then that'd just be pretty silly and no woman I'd want to date.

Some american women might say they 'prefer' the look of the 'cut', but most of them have never been with the opposite. After they try it, they usually find out it doesn't matter fuck all to them and they're both fun and enjoyable.

Moulin Rouge, Dan Leach, and thelurker have all managed to bring up very valid points about circumcision. I think they might be members of H.O.O.P.

It's a quite barbaric practice, especially when you consider not all doctors use anesthesia on the baby being circumcised. Talk about cruel.

Circumcision may work for preventing the spread of HIV and disease in countries like Africa that don't like to use condoms, but for those of us in the civilized world, we have condoms and hygiene. Even if circumcised penises reduce the risk of HIV by 50%, you can't combine that percentage with the 99% of condoms that block HIV. It doesn't quite work that way.

The only case in which circumcision may be justified is when the foreskin constitutes a medical risk (phimosis, infection, inflammation) and there's no other choice but to remove it.

Then again, any first-world man who can't be bothered to clean his penis probably doesn't deserve one.

My ex's problem was that his foreskin was too tight, so during sex, it would get stuck under the head, causing pain and obviously, then meant he couldnt finish off. The first surgery to loosen it didn't work, so circumcision was the only way he would be able to have sex properly, and also have the chance to have kids.

Just wanted to point out there's medical issues that ARENT hygiene related!!

It's meant to curb or eliminate infections as a child, not when you're an adult and should know better.

And it does. If you aren't Jewish.

Yeah, I think that's phimosis. One of the cases in which circumcision is justifiable.

Who knew the Brits would be so adamant on this issue? Gotta say, I'm surprised by the strength of your convictions. Personally, I'm glad I'm cut. I certainly haven't experienced any loss of sensitivity. Believe it or not, cotton boxers are sufficiently soft to prevent the flaying of my penis flesh. Also, unless you wash your dick every other hour, then my dick is cleaner than yours. Cut is cleaner, period.

Were you cut as a baby?

If you were, how would you know that you haven't experienced any loss of sensitivity?

Well I haven't experienced any loss of sensitivity since I can remember. Wouldn't constant abrasion of the penis result in a degenerative loss of sensitivity? Why would the loss only occur all at once when I'm a baby? I don't buy it.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say anything.

Then there is no "loss."

Oh, and I am in agreement with whoever said that you should either have it done at birth or he should get to wait until he's old enough to make the decision for himself.