Do you believe in the "supernatural"?

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Do you believe in the "supernatural?"

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  2. No

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  3. I am not sure

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  1. Jenna

    Jenna bingo.

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    Do you believe in ghost, spirits, demons, ect? Or whatever else goes with that.

    I would say that I don't. I mean I just don't think it exists. I am not saying that things that can't be explained have never happened to me but I just think that there is some reason for it... besides the supernatural.
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    The only honest answer possible is "I don't know".

    Anyone who claims otherwise is a bullshitter with something to gain.

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  3. Jenna

    Jenna bingo.

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    And just what does this bullshitter have to gain?
  4. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    It would be cool, and it makes for great fiction, but I have yet to see any evidence.
  5. Robotech Master

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    No.

    Haven't met any yet.
  6. Linda R.

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    I voted 'I'm not sure', which might sound odd coming from an avowed atheist, but let me explain: science has an awful long way to go in explaining everything. I am prepared to accept that a lot of people have had experiences that cannot yet be explained, and so are described as 'supernatural'. I've never had one myself, so I'm not certain those experiences have happened: it's just possible that those who have reported them have either been wrong, deluded, or liars - hence the doubt.
    The one thing of which I am certain is that if those experiences have happened, a scientific explanation exists, even if it hasn't been found yet.
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  7. Ramen

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    No.

    The cast of Ghost Hunters should be shot for taking away time that could be better spent showing SG1.
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  8. Amaris

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    Yes, I believe in the supernatural. It's a core element of my faith.


    J.
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  9. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    While ghosts and demons seem farfetched, I do know "unexplainable" things exist. I myself have experienced things that make me certain that
    time is not the one-way linear function some make it out to be.

    In many years people will figure this out, and the science behind it.
    Not being smug, but it gives me comfort that I know for certain that not everything is as it seems. :)
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  10. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    I don't even know what the word "supernatural" means. None of the proposed definitions I've ever heard parse as anything coherent. :shrug:
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    Leellana Poetess

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    Exactly my thinking. I'm experienced wierd feelings in different places. And then there are the instances of extreme de ja vu. Extreme, because it's not the "oh i think i've been here before" kind of thing. It's more "I've done this exact thing in this exact place, with these exact people, exactly this way before" kind fo thing.
  12. Dan Leach

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    No.
    But I would be quite happy to change my mind if there was any evidence of such phenomenon
  13. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Deja vu is quite easily explainable. What happens is the senses and reality get routed (wrongly) through the memory temporarily, so everything you see and do 'feels' like its not strictly happening 'right now' but is actualy coming from the memory centres.
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    I suspect you'd be more inclined to regard it as something science has yet to explain rather than something actually supernatural.

    Just my opinion, but your faith in everything being eventually comprehensible, explainable, precludes you from accepting anything as supernatural. That just isn't a door you're willing to accept exists, let alone open.


    As for myself? I don't considered myself qualified to rule anything in or out.
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  15. Leellana

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    I'm not sure you understand my meaning. When it happens, it something that I swear has happened in exactly the same way, I'm saying the exact same thing or someone else is, exact same time of day, exact everything. How does a memory center do that?
  16. Dan Leach

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    Theres no reason the 'spiritual' should be 'unexplainable'
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    Incorrect re-route through the memory centre provides the 'feeling' that something is happening exactly like it has before.
    It 'feels' like your remembering it whilst it it happening, a very odd feeling.
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  18. Clyde

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    [EDIT - To Post #16]^That's exactly what I'm talking about.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    What makes you think it should/might be unexplainable?
  20. Clyde

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    What would you consider evidence?
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    Almost all of the evidence for these phenomena is blurred, muffled, crap quality or obvious fakery.
    Theres no reason for it to be so. And that goes for ghosts, poltergeists, angels, fairies, telepathy, psychokenesis and the loch ness monster....
    Its all a bit... 'made up'. The only thing that seems obvious is the human hand of imagination on it all
  23. Clyde

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    ^Same question.
  24. Leellana

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    Just a note, I'm not trying to be hostile, I just don't understand how that would work. I mean how can something happening right then be termed a memory? I've always been under the impression that a memory isn't implanted, so to speak, until it has happened. Once instance, I realized what was happening, and the next action I expected to happen I got to watch.....does that make sense? My SO and my SIL were in the kitchen with me and I went to throw something away, and I realized my SIL was about to do something and I stopped, looked at her and watched her do it....though I can't remember what it was now. Would that be the same as what you're talking about, Dan?
  25. Forbin

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    Where the hell is Black Dove?
  26. oldfella1962

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    Submitted for your approval:

    when I was a kid I had a tooth coming in wrong, and looked like I would need braces. So, my mom sets up an initial visit just to see if that's the case.

    So one night I have a dream - I see a photograph of a girl from my school.We'll call her Linda X. I wasn't talking to her in the dream or interacting, because it was just a photograph. The dream was very realistic but only about 30 seconds long or so. I woke up startled, but wasn't exactly freaked out.

    I didn't hang out with or associate with this girl. I maybe said two words to her during the couple of years I'd been attending the school.

    The next day I make my initial visit to the orthodontist, and he's making his "what ortho can do for you" speech to me + my mom.

    About halfway through, he whips out a typical "before and after" success photo of one of his patients.....the picture is Linda X.

    Okay.....now I was freaked out and speechless. :IMHO!:

    Apparently Linda X used to wear braces before I moved to this town and started attending the school. I never really talked to her, so would have no prior knowledge of her wearing braces, or being treated by the same orthodontist as me.

    So let's examine, skeptics:

    Just a coincidence that the one time I happen to dream about a photograph of a random girl I barely know (of the dozens of girls I could have dreamed about) was the same girl (out of hundreds of patients
    treated) the orthodontist happened to show me a photograph of
    the very next day?

    Maybe Linda X happened to mention once wearing braces, despite never having said "boo" to me in two years or so.

    If she did tell me she once had braces, what are the odds that the orthodontist would have shown a photo of Linda X out of all his patients he had treated?

    If I dreamed about photographs of classmated all the time, I'd say eventually I'd run into a photo of one of them in the real world -
    but the photo dream was a one time deal.

    Discuss.

    Okay....tell me there aren't "glitches" in time
  27. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Interesting, and I have a similar story.

    When I was a kid, about 12-13, we moved to a new school district. The house we moved into was one we'd spent the previous year building ourselves . . . well, mostly my father and some of the uncles who had appropriate skills, with me mostly playing gopher, but there you are . . . and at the time I was dreaming very vividly almost every night. One night I was having one of my typical "flying" dreams. I was in a large gymnasium with gymnastic equipment in it, like parallel bars and a pommel horse and like that. Anyway, I was flying around in this gym in the dream.

    A couple weeks later we started at our new school and when I went to gym class . . . it was the same gym I'd dreamed about weeks before. Identical right down to where the equipment was sitting. Needless to say, I was stunned.

    I've had similar things happen a few more times, tho none with quite the impact of that gym one.
  28. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    I believe you. And what is weird is both of our dreams are trivial....no effect on anything per se.....but just minor dreamstate "glitches in time"
    where things get out of order. No way to prove them or disprove them, because nobody can literally see what we dream, or when we dream it.

    For those skeptics who say the actual event happened first (seeing Linda X photograph) before I dreamed it, I'd say they are wrong.

    I know what I dreamed, I know what happened, I know what order in which they occured.

    But because these things happen on a random (seemingly) basis there's no way to test them....thus they cannot be proven.
  29. EzriTorres

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    I totally do.
  30. Talkahuano

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    It's not a memory. You just have a "short circuit," your brain sends info the wrong way, your memory center activates, and you think what you're seeing is a memory, but it's not.
    It's just a bad case of deja vu, and there's nothing odd about it. :shrug: