You can paint with broad strokes to make them sound equivalent, or you can watch them both in detail and see the clear differences I will not be fucking repeating again.
You're just taking advantage of the subjective to satisfy standards that serve your current argument. Her "husband" tossed her like a rag doll until she got lucky with something she broke over his head and then slashed his neck with the pieces. Later her dad STILL had to save her from the same dude . No girl boss would suffer that. That Ghoul isn't superhuman. He's just more competent. No man can be more competent than Girl Bosses. Had Maximus not shot those cannibals, she would have blundered into the main course. No girl boss gets shown up like that. She got lucky with Mr. Snips, too. If this were the typical trope, she would have dominated these situations easily. I'm not going to give a dozen shows the microscope treatment just so you can disagree for the sake of disagreeing. You are determined to deny seeing it for some stupid reason.
ANYWAY.. Walton Goggins gets all the best lines. "Thou shalt be derailed by bullshit every goddamned time. "
It doesn't matter that Lucy was "lucky." She won the first fight against husband. Coop is superhuman -- he has a longer lifespan and can survive wounds that would kill normal humans. We don't know what would happen if Maximus hadn't shot first. Maybe she would have still gunned both the people down herself. Maybe she would have gotten hit. In any case, Rey/Capt. Marvel or any alleged Girl Boss also make mistakes like this. Again, getting "lucky" with Mr. Snips doesn't change the fact that she won that fight, and she did essentially dominate the fight with the organ harvesters and avoided issues with the feral ghouls she had released with no issue. Are there any fights that she took a complete L that I didn't mentioned that are so unlike the losses even Rey/Capt. Marvel/whoever also take?
Oh, quit fucking squirming. There is a difference between dominating a fight and getting off lucky. Furthermore, there were no scenes derailed with the typical Girl power/men bad lines shoehorned in . No "I don't need some mmanuh to explain it to me" or "Leave it to a mmanuh to fuck that up" or "It will be great, once a woman is in charge of it." If you don't notice shit like that everywhere, you must not be paying attention. I'm not going to spoon feed it to you.
that's a sneaky way of conceding the point... nobody asked for a (hyperbolic) dozen. Try showing us just one to back up your imaginary contrast
I mean @Uncle Albert pretty much covered what I was going to say. Here's a clear contrast; Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, Indy is rescued by his own hubris when his dad makes real connection with him and finally calls him Indiana and Indy let's go of the grail. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Indy is rescued fro his own hubris by getting a one punch knock out from a scrawny woman. This is the same Indiana Jones that went toe to toe with a huge Nazi dude. In Fallout Lucy is able to help Cooper change his ways by reminding him of the golden rule and giving him back the medicine he needs instead of torturing him the way he did her, it's a very nice exchange that doesn't say women are the bestest. Also, at the beginning we see Lucy doing some training so it's not like she came out of the vault and was immediately was a badass, unlike Rey Palpatine in TFA who somehow can go toe to to in a lightsaber duel with the grandson of Darth Vader and she knows how to do a Jedi mind trick with no training. These are just a couple of examples and that's not to say that I didn't see some bullshit like easily defeating the organ harvesting robot, but I can let things like that go since they make up for it with good writing, good character development and good humor.
I will admit that there are no overt and groany lines like (for example) when Batwoman says the Batsuit will be perfect when it can fit a woman. And if it comes down to that being the difference, fine and good. It's fair to ignore that the show still has the Big Bads being men, very few male characters who are morally good, a woman trying to save civilization by bringing cold fusion back, as long as it doesn't have that sort of ham-fisted dialogue that some shows and movies do. But there are plenty of characters that do not say such lines either (including Burnham and Rey, for starters) and yet get railed against And the criteria we were talking about was unrealistic wins. You were claimed that she got her ass handed to her more often than so-called Girl Bosses. She lost twice. Which isn't more than anyone. You are saying that she got lucky often. So did a lot of Girl Bosses, or Boy Bosses, for that matter. The fact is at the end of the day, she wins a lot, and loses rarely just like any Girl Boss you could name.
The Indy who went toe to toe with a huge Nazi dude had not just been shot. It should be not surprising that Indy could be cold-cocked by one punch by anyone with his old ass. It's more an issue that they pretended that geriatric Indy could put up a fight against someone 40 years younger than him and much buffer. Not familiar with the game or what might come next, but Lucy doesn't help Cooper change his ways at all. Cooper is still at the end of this first season the same cynical douchebag that he has been since he became a ghoul. In any case, I don't understand why you make a distinction between Lucy taking the high road and sticking to the Golden Rule and it not implicitly saying that since she's a she and has better morals than Coop, or frankly anyone male or female, and since the show features two men who are mass murderers (the Vault-Tec CEO and Lucy's dad), various men who are antiheros (Coop, Maximus), some wimpy/simpy guys (Lucy's brother and cousin), a bunch of men who are abusive/liars/manipulators etc (the Brotherhood, the organ harvesters, the shady medical guy), that the show isn't implicitly saying women are more moral than men. Again, if the issue is that it's not as preachy as a Batwoman or what not, I can get that. A) The thing about the Force is that it is a great equalizer so training may not always be necessary if you are strong enough in it. We see in previous films people do various Force-aided things with little to no formalized training. B) As you said, Rey's the granddaughter of Palpatine, so her bloodline is just as powerful as Kylo's if not more so. C) Kylo was severely wounded at that point D) Finn was able to hold his own with Kylo for quite a bit despite having no particular special bloodline or light saber training As for Lucy, yes, she had training. But so did many of the other women people complain of (Burnham, Carol Danvers, Batwoman No. 1). And they still get raked over the coals for being unrealistically good at what they do. People don't let go that Rey eventually did get training, and yet she still occasionally got her ass beat. And almost none of those people found themselves thrown into a circumstance their training didn't really prepare them for as much as Lucy.
Remind me again who was the main character in Indiana Jones? Here’s an exercise for you - go back an rewatch tv and movies and imagine a woman having the lead role.
That's the problem in a nutshell. The way to write a strong female character is NOT to write a Twitter feminist strawman male and slap a wig on him. That's just an insult to both genders, and doesn’t make anyone happy. I watched the first Captain Marvel movie. No interest in the second.
Ms Marvel has nothing to do with Captain Marvel. And, as for the ‘feminist straw man”, it’s the way movies and tv has been written for 100 years. Stupidly attributing super human characteristics to men while the women run around stupidly crying “I need a man” And men have loved it. That’s why culturally men are more likely to watch tv and movies and play video games and women were SOOOO fucking not interested.
Jeez! I'm glad I can still just sit back and watch a story without injecting so much bullshit into it. OK. I enjoyed the Fallout games immensely and I'm looking forward to the next one whenever that may come. I was skeptical of the show mainly because I did not enjoy Jonathan Nolan's Westworld on HBO all that much but this was pretty well put together. The show actually added some huge pieces of context that I'm sure will help me enjoy the games a lot more. With the success of The Last Of Us, I see this show is getting a lot of comparisons of it to TLOU with a few people actually saying they enjoyed Fallout more than TLOU. This is interesting because game wise, I and I'd guess most gamers consider TLOU a better game than Fallout and quite frankly, better suited for a movie/TV adaptation. To put it frankly, when people said Fallout was a better show than TLOU, I was highly skeptical. now, I have to say that I can see why. I feel like the hyper violent world in Fallout was portrayed better in Fallout more so than in TLOU. The fact that there were several protagonists in Fallout with unique encounters and conflicts as opposed to the almost claustrophobic portrayal of Joel and Ellie in TLOU helps to convey that out. The extra context into the origins of Vault-Tec and the nuclear holocaust in the history of Fallout is also very illuminating. That and the "tongue in cheek vibe" helps. What do you guys think? Fallout or TLOU? do you have a preference?
That's an excellent point. If the stories and games we love are going to survive and draw bigger investments in them, then we really should be supporting them going after a larger audience, i.e. women and minorities. So stop the butt-hurt and man the fuck up.
I like to play Fallout more so than TLOU, but story wise like a tv show telling the story, I think TLOU was better. Not that I didn’t like Fallout as much. It’s just that …. as a story …, TLOU was …. better …. wait, I don’t mean “better”. It was written to be a story told in a specific format. Fallout wasn’t written in that same format. Fallout, the tv show, was written to include the absurd. I don’t remember TLOU, the game, having so much absurdity. It was just scary and creepy. If it hadn’t been for the game (and if UA didn’t love it so much), I wouldn’t have watched it. I’m not a fan of horror. But, I really did like the tv show. It was well written and well executed. I was intrigued/engaged from the start.
And I am telling you some petty, vengeful "give them a taste of their own medicine" approach is not a good way of writing appealing, entertaining characters.
The problem is that it doesn't sell. You can pander to a couple dozen dumpy feminists who probably won't buy your game anyway, or you can choose to make money. And make no mistake, the people shoving that kind of shit at us aren't interested in making money. They're out to punish the evil male gaze and get payback for arguments they lost in fucking high school by taking away something that people they hate enjoy.
Most Hollywood writers are STILL men. Women are not doing anything to you or FF. It’s all men. Now, here’s something. Maybe a petty vengeful reaction of whining might not be the best approach to gaining quality entertainment.
No, the way to do that is to stop reading the behavior with money, which has been gradually happening.
I do not understand “stop reading the behavior with money”. But, speaking of money …, we do live in a capitalist society. So, if movies are being made the old way, but with women in traditional men’s roles and vice versa, then guess what. That’s the kind of movies that will be made. You can’t say capitalism only exists for men. If so, you get women who fuck over men for money.
I guarantee you, that even if the people creating stories centered on female protagonists aren't interested in drawing a larger market, the shot callers who green-lit the project are and they have some degree of faith that if they just put out a compelling product, the people who traditionally supported the genre will continue to enjoy it and eventually, some additional people might too.
Having played neither game, I enjoyed both shows in their own ways. If I had to pick one over the other, I would say that I'd side with TLOU because I felt like it was more realistic and focused. I did enjoy the retro-future vibe of Fallout. But I cared about Ellie and Joel (and even side characters like Bill and Frank) far more than I did anybody in Fallout.
And this is where ESG investors step in to ease those concerns. Check more boxes, get more money. At least in the short term.
I'm rating the Fallout show higher than Last of Us, because it stayed more accurate to the lore, and Lucy wasn't a poor representation of an existing character.
