Fitna (the anti-Islam film)

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  1. Oxmyx

    Oxmyx Probably a Dual

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    Have you already seen Geert Wilders' film Fitna, which has gathered so much attention in Europe lately?

    Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rUk-GC8Z2Og
    Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VvCu3E3IcUA
    (you'll need a YouTube account since the video is flagged as "not suitable for minors")

    Sure, this is lots of propaganda, but sadly there's something to it. Actions speak louder than words, this holds true even for Islam.
     
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    Thats one thing great about Youtube, You can find almost anything there. :)
     
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  4. Oxmyx

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    I really don't understand why the Dutch government feels the need to comment on a film which has no affiliation, whatsoever, with the Dutch government.
     
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    and the UN has weighed in now:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topN...?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

    You gotta love the United Nations, they turn a blind eye to the Palestinians' colorful portrayals of Jews while condemning a film full of actual quotes, clips and passages from the Koran as "offensively anti-Islamic." Ban Ki-Moon really needs to just fuck off and go back to being the quiet, unimportant head of a worthless, do-nothing organization that he is.
     
  6. Rincewiend

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    Well, Mr Wilders used images and soundclips without consent and the people whose stuff he used are sueing him...
    Including the Danish cartoonist...

    And someone was very quick in making a similair movie with bible quotes:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=840_1206727821
     
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    Here we go again!

    As if we needed further proof that Islam is a fucked up religion. The Islammies are already throwing a fit. I expect a few more deaths because of this.

    I also liked this comment from the website evenflow linked to:

    "A film denouncing imperialism, theocracy, homophobia, violence against women ... this extreme right-wing propaganda must be stopped!"
     
  8. Oxmyx

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    He used images and clips as a form of quotation, which means he doesn't need the consent of the original owners. By the way, I haven't heard that people are sueing him because of this, do you have a link?
     
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    Here is one about the cartoonist:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aAbxQbpn6TEs&refer=europe

    and some more:
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,543864,00.html
     
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    What surprises me most is that the supposedly 'liberal media' (:rotfl:) gives those extremist shitstains such a big stage. I mean, let's be honest here - this is nothing more than a provocation aimed to create violence, just so this right wing loon can say 'told you so :nyer:'.

    It works just the same on the other side, btw.

    If we just stopped reporting about these religious warriors, they'd probably go away. I don't think the whole shebang is much fun without an audience, just as rap warring is no fun without somebody whining and/or bragging about it.

    And of course, there's always the Greenland option. Which I'm more and more in favor of every day I follow the news. I'm sure the Danes wouldn't have much problem with borrowing it to the int'l community for a few years for putting all the crazies there to mutually kill themselves.
     
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    So copyright violations, lawsuits? These are the things of a civilized society, not riots and violence.

    Still no excuse for the Dutch government.
     
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    Neither the Dutch government or the UN have any business getting involved.

    That said, the film is entirely unimpressive, and deliberately calculated to cause outrage.
     
  13. Demiurge

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    Well, Islam has a great way of showing Mr. Wilder what for in an incredibly impressive come back.

    They can not kill some random person in Islam's name over this.

    They failed this test impressively over the Dutch cartoons, when a nun volunteering to help the poor in Morrocco was killed because of the insult to Mohommed.
     
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Hmmm.... liveleak, the web site originally hosting the film, pulled it down due to death threats against their staff. What are the odds?

    However, I disagree with the comments that the Dutch government shouldn't get involved.

    Wilder is an elected dutch official, and heads a party that has 9 seats in their parliament.

    The Dutch government HAS to comment that this has nothing to do with official dutch policy.
     
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    Theo Van Gogh sooo agrees... Any group that will take to honor killings over a movie DESERVES to be placed under a microscope and scrutinized molecule by molecule.
     
  16. Oxmyx

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    Then why didn't Balkenende just say: Hey, this is a privately-produced film which has no affiliation with the Dutch government or the policy of the Dutch government.
    That would've been okay. But instead he "regretted" the film's release. The Danish government was much smarter in the cartoon controversy: they only said that it's not the govt's job to regulate the press or comment on anyone's opinions.
     
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    http://en.rian.ru/world/20080331/102599264.html

    :jayzus:
     
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    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    I'm fitna go to tha sto and gets me some koo filter kings.