Muad Dib was the real deal. I wasn't around when he imploded but the hey day was the best. And his great grand pappy or some shit was in the actual Civil War. He loved his history. And it was HIS. He claimed it wholeheartedly and also enjoyed living it in Civil War re-creations.
And it's funny how Duh Fox used to rag on him all the time about it, but now acts as if he's the heir apparent.
Good thread, but OP is not a very good argument. "As a national emblem" is kinda significant. Since modern usage is not as a national emblem, it doesn't signify that cause. I mean, I'm not saying it's not used as a symbol of racism, just that it's not a symbol of racism by the conditions in the OP.
Would it be fair to say that because you don't consider it a national emblem you view isn't necessarily reflected by others who see value in that flag?
Not sure what question you're trying to ask there, but it doesn't make sense to matter where I put a missing letter. s/because/even though/, s/you view/your view/?
here's the thing, whatever argument one might have about what the average Johnny Reb thought the flag meant in 1864, today, in the 21st century, if you go out and find yourself a white nationalist in, say, Michigan - he's flying that flag. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say all the racists in the upper midwests DON'T have a Southern heritage.
oh yeah, and also a shoutout to my viking sistah from another mistah, Tess Asplund! Standing against nazi-hipsters, for all humankind!
So just from my perspective all the people I know who like the rebel flag really really like the General Lee and it flying through the air in the Dukes brothers or whatever that was called. I actually don't know anyone who hates blacks or thinks they are less and I'm from Western Oklahoma. Although the fact that I am from Western and not Eastern Oklahoma may explain that.
The one thing I did agree with him on was the revisionist history. The North was no less complicit in slavery than the South and whites were no less bigoted. That includes the abolitionists who were peachy keen with the idea of paying minorities less than whites.
OT though, I see no difference between the Confederate flag and the Nazi flag. Both are symbols of the horrible evil that men do to each other and except for historical purpouses should not be on display anywhere or by anyone.
Yep! Nobody's hands were clean. Even Europe who bought the products the north made from the raw materials the south shipped north are very much involved. But hey, out of sight, out of mind.
Probably got sick of seeing the racist posts on this board. If he thought the era of Tasvir was bad, the era of Dinner/Ramen/ gturner/Dayton is ten times worse.
No, my original user name was Oerdin. I changed it to Confederate Son to troll Maud as a result of one of a fuck the south threads. It worked too because it drove him into a rage and he couldn't come up with a snappy nickname which didn't also insult the Confederacy so he stopped that line of attack. As memory serves it was in a thread where Maud was claiming Confederate vets should have gotten U. S. Government vet benefits and I spent several pages slamming him.
Now, now, you and I both know that people who call themselves liberal can be some of the most racist people you'll ever meet.
Well, I guess that's one way of looking at it. Or... You could have been secretly aroused at the opportunity to call youself "Confederate Son" and pretend to be innocent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Confederate_Veterans
well that's the point - in the 21st century (and the 20th, for that matter) secessionism isn't the message of that flag.
As Bourdain found out. It was the North East who slammed him for going to the border. People on or around the border don't care about Mexicans in fact the love them because they are family...
