Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Bill Carson, Mar 28, 2022.
Telling someone they overstepped =/= slapping someone
Apparently the slapping is a Scientology thing, they encourage slapping to correct one another.
Didn’t say it was. It’s not an approach I personally would take. I’m just saying, I can see why he did what he did. And since Chris Rock isn’t pursuing the matter legally, it’s a moot point.
Define being "a fucking dick." And explain why it's bad for comics to do so.
I'm not being flip. Because a large part of the appeal of the character of House was that he was a dick to people who richly deserved it. And Hugh Laurie, who played House, is very much a comedic actor.
Did Chris Rock know that Jada had alopecia? Black women often shave their heads because that's an easy way for them to transition from one hairstyle to another, due to the kinds of chemicals that they have to use on their hair to get it to behave in a particular manner. So the fact that she was bald (or whatever) wouldn't necessarily be an automatic indicator that she had alopecia.
Sam Kinison did a bit that seems a bit dickish, but actually raises an important point. He talks about those ads for charitable programs where they show a starving child and beg for money.
The film crews are there because pictures of starving kids make money for the charity (and the film crews certainly aren't going hungry), so shouldn't we get footage of the kids being fed? And then there's the whole business about people living in deserts. Why do they do that? Well, in the particular cases that he's talking about, global warming and the fact that people aren't allowed to move freely from one country to another are a huge factor in that. And yeah, I'm certain that Kinison wasn't thinking about the second point as much as I just did, it doesn't change the fact that it is an issue that we need to think about. Would I have gotten there without having seen Kinison's bits? I don't know. But I do know that his bits primed me to question things differently. YMMV.
There’s a huge difference between making jokes about characters and imaginary people/things and people who live and exist in the real world.
Well, you posed a hypothetical question in response to my critique of Smith. Your question doesn't have a purpose as a response if you're only offering an alternative that Smith didn't take.
Understanding doesn't excuse people for doing bad things. Understanding is not approval.
And it may not be a moot point. Will Smith, ironically, may have done serious damage to his career on the night he won an Academy Award.
You’re just bitching to be bitching without even trying to understand the specific situation.
I’ll ask again, if your drinking buddy says something stupid about your wife and you think it’s funny and laugh until you see that it has visibly upset her, what the fuck do you do?
Never mind all that, where are the pix of the Williams sisters' tits?
I'm not "bitching." Are you reading what's being written about Will Smith?
Say "I'm sorry, honey, I thought that was funny?"
But don’t ask him to apologize?
Depends on what he said. If I'm laughing about it initially, how egregious could it be?
Ask your wife.
I wouldn't hit him, I'd ask him to apologize, after I apologized for laughing. But if he kept it up, I'd let him know that he would need to stop. If he didn't, then other action might need to be taken.
Smith has already apologized for resorting to violence. He was wrong. My statements are only that of understand his bad reaction and asked others to attempt the same.
Me: "Honey? What's wrong? I thought what he said was funny. What's the matter?"
She: "He made fun of my hairstyle, and that obliquely connects to my skin condition."
Me: *pulls .44 Magnum, explodes drinking buddy's head*
Great attempt at understanding.
Jenee, I do understand. You seem to think that understanding means having the same opinion about it as you do. It doesn't.
Make a bad joke about a woman's medical condition, get slapped by her husband. Seems proportional.
Normally I would roll my eyes at this sort of elitist Hollywood drama, but this month it's a welcome diversion from all the other shit in the world. It also made the Oscars interesting for the first time in forever.
No, you don’t have to have the same opinion. All I was suggesting was understanding. Yet, you keep telling me he was wrong regardless.
Just dont’ keep disagreeing with me then blame me for continuing to disagree with you.
After he slapped Chris Rock, so now it's damage control. Like I said above thread, too many times a woman will push it further than it needs to be, they get insulted and expect they guy to fight for their honor. Did she push Will to hit Chris, I don't know. But if she can't accept an apology and end it there, then the guy is better off without her, or if she expects the guy to get physical over words.
I mean, it wasn't even about her condition. Plenty of black women have the same hair style without having alopecia. And Jada isn't exactly A-list last time I checked, arguably Rock was doing her a favour by giving her a mention and a moment on camera.
Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle is fiction, but enough people recognized that it contained truths about the meatpacking industry that it resulted in massive reforms of the industry.
I had forgotten about this, but it may be a better explanation for Smith's (over)reaction than just what transpired Sunday night.
This Wasn't The First Time Chris Rock Mocked Jada Pinkett Smith At Oscars
The comedian joked about her while hosting the 2016 ceremony, and some say there was lingering "bad blood" between Will Smith and Rock.
Was is staged or not staged. I vote staged.
This wouldn't have happened if Chris Rock had a gun.
No. This wasn't good for anybody.
What did the police find after they dusted Chris Rock's face? Fresh Prints!
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