Fresh Prince Gets Into Another Little Fight.

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Steal Your Face, Mar 28, 2022.

  1. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    So your argument is they get paid for being on the list, but didn't choose to be on the list. OK. LOL.

    So, again, we have both her biological sisters that say she lied about everything, and we have the fact she isn't on a list it would have been advantageous for her as a Native American activist to be on. No, Sacheen Littlefeather did not hide her native ancestry. If she had, she would have left that name, which she created herself, behind. She was born Marie Luiz Cruz.

    She regularly sought the spotlight for said heritage. It's a pretty big leap to think she would not want it to be present in the tribe itself.

    If it were real, that is.

    There's also several accounts of her making statements that no information could be verified, such as receiving the Traditional Indian Medicine Achievement Award in 1986. Or, more troubling, after becoming an activist for AIDS claiming her brother died of the disease. She has no brother.

    You believe what you want. I'm sure where this one is going to be a decade from now. She'll be the next Iron Eyes Cody. He was Italian.
  2. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Oh, another one, definitely the most egregious.

    Forrest Carter. The Cherokee who wrote the book The Outlaw Josey Wales, and then the screenplay for Clint Eastwood's 1976 starring vehicle. Highly regarded for it's treatment of Native Americans.

    Except he was actually Asa Earl Carter, KKK member and white supremacist speech writer and politician.

    He was outed after 4 years, in 1976.

    EXCEPT he then wrote his fictious biography about growing up native American titled 'the Education of Little Tree.' It was initially released in 1976, and bombed, but was then re-released in 1991 after people had forgot who Forest Carter was, and was on the NY Times besteller's list and won the first ever American Book Association's now prestigious Book of the Year.

    Complete and utter farce. The guy had no native blood and was George Wallace's speech writer, and participated in an attack on Nat King Cole for the offense of being black and on stage.

    He died of a heart attack while assaulting his son.

    Littleather/Cruz is a far, far better human being than Carter, and seemed to actually believe in the causes she espoused.

    But just goes to show you the 70s were a different time, and liars and conmen were harder to catch back then. Instantaneous information is still relatively new, and we are still parsing how to best use it.
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    I was working in a book distribution warehouse when the Little Tree book came out and I remember thinking that there was something a little “off” about it.
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  4. Jenee

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    Lollolololololo

    Dumbass.

    No. The argument is that not everyone who is Native American chooses to “register”.
  5. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    ...what?
  6. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Not the argument I made or the argument we are having, but you routinely use strawmen.

    Though in your case, that may be the best you can do, because it's also routinely obvious that you can't follow the conversation.
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  7. Jenee

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    You are arguing that Littlefeather’s father is not on the register or … whatever tribe. I’m saying that’s a non-argument.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Did you read the article?

    It isn’t just that no tribe has any record of any ancestor but at all the records we do have from census forms to draft forms to baptismal records, a whole laundry list of records going back to the 1880s, ALL known records show her father’s family marking down some form of either Latino, Mexican, White or Caucasian. Not a single Native America, Indian, this tribe, that tribe…
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  9. Jenee

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    I’m not disputing the article. One of the biggest issues in tracking genealogy is that people, especially in the period in question, grange names. Regardless of reason. When that happens, best anyone can do is assume and draw correlations.

    I’m just saying, lack of recorded ancestry is not a valid argument.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    But we don’t have a lack of recorded ancestry. We have 140 years of records. ALL of which show her father’s family marking down some form of either Latino, Mexican, White or Caucasian on forms, licenses, registries, records, etc. etc.
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  11. Jenee

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    That’s cool and all. But, it’s not as if people don’t lie about their past. Look at … that senator what’s her name that trump called Pocahontas. Her family stories passed down have told her she is Native American. IIRC, she took a DNA test and found little evidence to support her family’s stories. Doesn’t mean the senator was lying. She just had been told something all her life that isn’t supported by genetics. I’m not disputing the records. I’m saying records are not always accurate and sometimes family stories turn out to be just that - stories.

    Either way, I’m not as quick to call her a liar just as I was not as quick to jump on the John Wayne wanted to do her bodily harm train.
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    So let me get this argument straight. This woman went up and refused an award because native american abuses, and this angered John Wayne because he hates native americans, but now his bigotry is OK because she was pretending to be native american?

    Here is how it really works. Native americans were still treated in ways that defile any humanity. John wayne is still a racist nasty shit of a person, cancer did us a fucking favor. This woman was also awful and self loathing. All the people trying to pretend this in any way excuses the bullshit around John Wayne are complicit it whitewashing a racist turd, or downright racist themselves.
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  14. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I'm saying that the combination of that and the fact that her own family members say she made it up from whole cloth is pretty damning.

    And her sisters didn't say she was misguided, they called her a fraud.

    So there's no evidence of any actual relation to the Yaqui, and her own family says it's not true and was a fantasy.

    And clearly the only reason we know her name is because of this fraud.
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    Ok. Whatever.
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    They should save some money and just put large foam hands on everyone and let them go at it.

    I think I would tune in for that one. Especially if they let Christopher Titus into it. They could all get into character and smack talk before it and it would be like Wrestlemania.