@Liet: Those were Ramsay's dogs. He believed until the end they wouldn't attack him at all. Seems like the dogs themselves were rather unsure. That's how I understood it The battle scene was quite cinematic, yes. Thinking back to the last few I can see how they saved up money for this one episode. It's one thing to CGI fantasy characters (as in Hardhome), it's another to create convincing humans. This somehow smelled of WETA and the software they used fot LotR. It's called MASSIVE and IMHO it has a certain look and feel I thought this episode had too.
Jon is a shit tactician. He's a good person, great at inspiring his allies, but if he had known support was coming he would have acted differently and Ramsay would have reacted differently. Jon thinking they had gone all in convinced Ramsay they had nothing else, whicb let Sansa and Littlefinger spring their trap. Sansa or Littlefinger would happily sacrifice earlier troops to gain a win, if Jon had known support was coming he wouldn't have.
Ok, that's brilliantly devious, but the show would have to tell us that Littlefinger and/or Sansa had considered this next week before I believe it.
Yeah, I'd read that explanation elsewhere on the Internet and I'm skeptical of it. This means that Sansa willingly put Jon's life at risk by sending him into battle with only half of the info he needed. You can't really call him a shit tactician when he believes his army is at a significant disadvantage. Yes he abandoned his plans when he saw Rickon's life at risk, but Rickon is the last rightful heir to Winterfell and his life was a fundamental goal of that battle. I'm not saying he did the right thing by breaking ranks, but I understand his emotions getting the best of him when he thought he was fighting a lost cause from the start.
There was no trap on Littlefinger or Sansa's part. Sansa sent the letter with no expectation that Littlefinger would get it, respond to it, or even if he did want to respond would be able to get to the battle site in time. Sansa didn't tell Jon because she didn't know Littlefinger was coming back. I think they should have shown her being surprised that the Vale showed up. That would have cleared things up. Now people think Sansa and Littlefinger held back the army. Sansa might be naive but she's not that dumb. If she knew Littlefinger was coming with his army she would have told Jon and they would have waited. So Littlefinger riding to the rescue was a true rescue. His forces showed up in time to rescue Jon Snow and his army.
I can buy that more than I could the notion that Sansa is this brilliant yet depraved military tactician that put her brother and protector's life at risk to draw Ramsey's army out from the gates of Winterfell. But even if she didn't know, she had a distinct opportunity to tell Jon when he flat out asked her "Where can we get more men?" She chose not to even mention that she'd sent a Raven to the Knights of the Vale. I'm not sure why but I expect Jon and Sansa to hash this out in the future.
Oh they are going to talk it out next week. There is no way Jon isn't going to find out that she sent a letter. I think we see a part of the talk in the preview.
Since Littlefinger was obsessed with Sansa's mom, and Littlefinger pretty much knows all the dirt on everybody, could it be that Littlefinger is the only person who knows the truth about Jon Snow's parentage?
So will the White Walker invasion be Bran's fault? We know that some sort of magic was protecting the cave of the Three Eyed Raven. When Bran was marked by the Night King that magic seal was broken. If Bran crosses back over the Wall, will that break the magic seal that was placed on it? (Assuming there is any magic to it at all.)
I just thought about something.... When Robb Stark was at war with the Lannisters, he soundly defeated both Tywin and Jamie Lannister with a considerably smaller army by using superior tactics. When his uncle Edmere Tully abandoned plans to draw The Mountain out in combat in order to capture some Lannister nephews, Robb chastised his uncle and told him that the Lannisters had his sisters as hostages and he had no intentions of changing his plans in order to get them back. There is a stark difference (no pun intended) between Robb and Jon as commanders it seems. There are some huge differences between their situations for sure, but thinking back on it, I don't think Robb would've abandoned his battle plans to try and save Rickon if he were fighting Ramsey. Robb was raised to be the Lord of Winterfell and Jon maybe was not? Just some food for thought.
So, who's gonna die tonight? My bets are on: - High Sparrow - Tommen (killed by Cersei?) - Cersei (killed by Jamie in a nice little cruel twist?) - the red witch is gonna get it too. Jon? - One of the Cleganes. I think the Mountain because Hound actually got a story. I also think he'll end up close to Arya again - and respect her for what she did to him. Something's probably up in Dorne too. Varys?
I'm pretty sure that Cersei isn't going to die before Tommen. She has to live to see all her children dead; that is a big part of the prophecy from the Season 5 premeire, after all. I think she also needs to live long enough after he dies to really suffer, which makes her safe for this episode. I'd kind of like to see Margaery die tonight. I think the main purpose of the character is the reactions she provokes in others, and there's no surer way to make sure all the shit hits the fan in King's Landing.
OBVIOUSLY SPOILERS Holy crap! Everyone kicked the bucket this night. Well almost everyone. Cersi has solved her problem with the Sparrow and his minions and Margery and Kevan Lannister and a whole shit load of people. One minor fault was making sure Tommemen didn't jump out any windows. As soon as he took that crown off I knew. The look on the Sparrows face when he realized that Margery was right was priceless. That was one hell of an explosion. And at first I didn't recognize the girl but when she started serving pie I realized it could only be Arya. And she put the two guys in the pie. Brilliant. Dany is finally on her way west. I'm sure there is an alliance between House Targaryen, Tyrell and Dorne. Sam see a real library and makes a joke or two. And Cersi setting herself up as queen. I got to say she was rocking that outfit. And finally we now know Jon Snow is the son of Rhager Targeryen and Lynna Stark.
Lyanna Mormont has command presence. If she had told that room to get on their hands and knees and howl like a direwolf they would have done it. KING OF THE NORTH! Who cares if he's a bastard. He's got Stark blood in him!
It was totally predictable yet totally awesome! Lady Mormont was the bomb! And Cersi just made every other woman on the show look like a little girl playing dress up!
Sure, Cersei was rocking the outfit, but setting herself up as queen made no sense. You need more of a power base than Qyburn and undead Mountain to even seize the Iron Throne, much less have any kind of a plan to hold it, especially when you can't even pretend to have a legitimate claim to the Throne, and Cersei didn't have it. The best case scenario for her after her actions is that Lannister troops hold her until Jamie returns and decides what to do with her; there's simply no way in-universe that she ends up declaring herself Queen in that scenario. I figured Tommen would survive this episode, mostly because no one had been set up to be in a position to seize the Throne. I'd also say that the complete failure to consider and plan for Tommen's reaction to blowing up the Sept was totally out of character for Cersei; they'd made pretty clear that she may be evil, but she really does love her children, and that was more-or-less ignored here. I understand why the writers wanted to end the season with Cersei on the Throne, but they really cheated to get her there. The rest of this episode I really liked. Even the Sand Snakes were fine once the Queen of Thorns put them in their place.
She did plan for Tommen. By not letting him go to the sept. If she had thought for one minute he would have flung himself out a window I'm pretty sure she would have locked the window. And technically she's still a queen and the Lannisters rule Kings Landing. She still has command of Lannister troops and as we see at the end even the Kingsguard is with her. But we all know it will be a short reign. Just how short is anyone's guess.
Holy crap, that was a great episode! So many deaths. Someone online pointed out an interesting pattern.