Hiroshima - August 6th, 1945.

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  1. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    August 6th 1945 will be 70 years after the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, 3 days later Nagasaki was also bombed.

    Those two bombings are the only two times that an atomic weapon has been used against a population.

    That day was a day that will never be forgotten, as it was truly a terrible day.



    And the worst was yet to come.
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  2. Dayton Kitchens

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    Really what came next that was worse than atomic weapons detonating over cities?
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    That you have to ask is all the proof of your sociopathy :borg:

    With that out the way, it was a necessary move, given Japan was gonna keep blowing up their own people in futile pride.
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    For Tsutomu Yamaguchi, it would be the first time he got nuked, but not the last. That has to suck.
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  5. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Oh yeah, that guy. Business or something in Hiroshima, goes home with a long story to tell, which became a short story that went "Just like that!".
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    Guess they shouldn't have started the war, huh?
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  7. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    One of the greatest understatements of all time was uttered by the Emperor Hirohito, in his first ever radio address, announcing Japan's surrender:

    "the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyokuon-hōsō
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    :yes: He's in his boss' engineering office at Mitsubishi, trying to tell them what happened, with none of them believing him, when he spots a plane dropping a single bomb......
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    My favorite from Japan (and it no doubt applies to Germany) is that after we'd occupied them, many of their citizens said they knew they were losing the war despite all the propaganda because their overwhelming and glorious victories kept moving closer and closer to home.
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    My grandmother tells me of the days when she lived as a young girl in Nazi Germany. Her father was removed from a high position in daimler benze because he would not participate in the Nazi Party. I guess other people with the family name schindler were also not agreable with the Nazi party. Anyway, I listen to her descriptions of how the US and european allies basically leveled the factory towns to the ground, and how she used to have to go into bunkers during the raids, and how her father was basically worn down and died from the war. I have also researched a lot of the stories of the survivors of the aftermath of the nuclear bombs. I realized one thing. Despite the animosity of a war, the people are pretty much the same on both sides. They have family and friends who they watch die. They see horrible things that i am glad i do not know. My grandmother who I love to death was on the other side of that horrible war. You can say she wasn't a participant, and that her family did not join in the killing, but in some way the work they did that made germany strong allowed for those powers to inflict such a battle.

    Then you listen to the stories of people like George Takai. His family was american and was part of our community and we took them from their homes and put them in a horrible camp. We did not burn them in ovens, but they died of malnutrition and disease. Their family foundations that would allow them to provide for a better life for their children was stripped from them right here in america. Then I look at the people who were american soldiers who we will never have again. There were certainly some great people who could have made our society much better who we lost, and the same has to be said for the other side when we realize after the wars were over we became communities with Japan and the people who were in Nazi Germany fighting us.

    The one thing I take away from all of that is that I do not want to be a part of it like we are now. You can say what you want about muslims being child rapists and treating their women like shit, but that is what we were about a century ago. It is not that long, and they can learn how wrong those things are much faster than we can because of information technology. War is not the answer, and god damn the right and the zionists for saying it has to happen when clearly there are better options. Yes, sometimes we have to bomb the crap out of people who fight us, but we are too big to be doing that to the muslim countries right now. They may be able to injure us, but they are not able to defeat us. They do not even stand a chance in open war. Those bombs burned people up until today. We did that to a people who i think are pretty interesting today. I am not a weaboo and think there is nothing wrong with Japan, but they have good people and some good ideas. I can imagine the good people we are killing indiscriminently in the middle east right now because I know the people who we once called our enemies and how valuable they are in my life today. That is why I fight against the wars we are in and the people like the thoughtless warmongers in congress and the Isreali government who tries to instigate a terrible showdown. They are bad and terrible people who would waste the best part of us just to kill a couple of people for oil, or skin color, or the books they believe in.

    There will come a day where those warmongers will destroy everything good we have created if we let them. If that day comes I will let the sadistic demon inside me out for some playtime and they will know the word suffering as i will etch it into the souls of their families and friends as they watch helplessly. But until then I am going to enjoy more peaceful pursuits like ponies and magical girls. I would much rather life be that way, but I do not get to chose.
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  13. K.

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    ... said the Iraqi with the suitcase bomb on Times Square.
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    Yep. If you're going to start something with someone, you damned well better be prepared for the possibility that the other party will finish it.
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    Many (not all) Asian cultures tend to "beat around the bush" rather than offend somebody. In other words straight answers like "yes" or "no" are never what they seem.
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  18. RickDeckard

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    Your sig is patronising nonsense.
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    Said the Kuwaitis to the Iraqis.
  20. Dan Leach

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    War is the worst thing that humans do to each other. This is the worst instance in the history of war.
  21. Dayton Kitchens

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    What would you have suggested as an alternative?

    More Japanese civilians would've died in a conventional U.S. invasion or due to a naval blockade. Not to mention from an imminent Soviet invasion.
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  22. Beck

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    I'm curious Dan, what would you have done if you were Truman? Would you have leveled a couple cities to save thousands of your troops' lives, would you have ordered a costly invasion, or would you have just surrendered?
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  23. Dayton Kitchens

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    Slavery as well as a number of other acts might argue to the contrary.
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  24. El Chup

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  25. Dayton Kitchens

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    Figure of speech.
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    No, just poor English. You'd expect better from a "professional educator".
  27. gul

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    Pedantic. You would likely not have batted an eye had somebody responded with "slavery disagrees," or some other standard Wordforgism.
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  28. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    He didn't utter a "wordforgism". Plus, as a teacher, he should surely hold himself to a higher standard? After all, he's continually ordering us to give him respect due to his job.
  29. RickDeckard

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    A surrender was available from Japan at that point. The remaining bone of contention was that it be "unconditional", whereas the Japanese wanted conditions such as the retention of their emperor, something which ended up happening anyway.

    I don't think that a form of words is worth hundreds of thousands of lives.
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    I don't think that you have a proper understanding of the historical circumstances.
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