How Many Star Trek Episodes "Never Happened"?

Meh, I've heard all the Enterprise insults. For fuck's sake, my best bud at TBBS was Stewey

That's the best ya got? [/Mewa mode}

Hmm, Trek episodes that "never" happened? I don't recall the title, but the one where Voyager finds a spatial anomaly and Janeway is written consistantly?

That episode I was in never happened.

I'm talking about continuity and general plot. Think about it, their lives changed very little.

Except Harry. At least he was banging what's her name on Earth. Seems in space, no one will give him the time of day...

So just because Voyager was like the first two or three seasons of DS9 and all of TNG, it's a giant reset button?

Anna, sweetie, calm down.

When you consider that they're suppposed to be in the Delta Quadrant, running low on supplies, and yet they constantly use the holodeck, replicators, destroy shuttlecraft, and use all their photon torpedoes, yes.

Jadzia has sex with lenara She dumps worf.

Well, they bullshitted up some deuterium rich nebulas here and there for that.

Got deuterium, you can burn it to run the anti-matter generator to create anti-deuterium, then once you have deuterium and anti-deuterium, you got warp power, and can run replicators, and once you got replicators, you got food, medicine, shuttle parts, and torpedo casings, which you in turn fill up with some anti-matter.

If you accept TAS as canon, then all of TOS is a corrupted timeline because Spock goes back through the Guardian of Forever and saves his younger self on Vulcan when he should have died. A predestination paradox that preserves Spock's existence.

The exec of the Enterprise was supposed to be Commander Therin, an Andorian.

I haven't seen the episode, but is it possible that Spock's arrival created the events that would've led to his younger self's death?

Perhaps even a chaos theory type deal.

Nope, Spock talks to Sarek, but largely avoids his young self until he saves himself, and everything happens as he remembers except the slight changes he causes this second time.

I hadn't thought about it, but Marso is right, Therin's timeline is the "correct", one.

But, Therin accepts the need to make the change, as a change to his career is a small sacrifice in order to save both Spock, and further down the changed timeline, Amanda.

Which was a chickenshit way out.

They came up with a basic notion that could have allowed them to create some of the finest hours of TV ever, and they deliberately technobabbled their way out of it.

I just assumed Chuckles was building shuttles in his off time. I mean, he lost most of em didn't he?

Oh, I agree.

I would've blown up the anti-matter charge-flipper machine, and have that the whole delta quadrant, especially the shallow end they started at, can only make anti-matter with space station sized complexes.

Except the Borg, of course.

Voyager, by dint of it's very premise, could have done such hours of TV like Firefly's "Out of Gas" (arguably one of the best hours of TV sci fi EVER) or BSG's "Flight of the Phoenix" (speaking of building shuttles).

Had they had some creative balls, that is.

Well, even Enterprise didn't kill the magic tech.

Braga even admits in the commentary for Generations they were addicted to it, and they often leaned on the tech advisors with chunks of dialogue being "we'll tech the tech!", and have the advisors fill in the tech.

Well, he consciously knew it then, but he didn't give up that smack needle, did he?

That's the definition of addiction, continuing a behavior in the face of adverse consequences.

The killer Bs just had to go.
A BSG style realization of the Voyager premise just was NOT gonna happen under them.

I would have like to have seen the ship's damage last a couple eps. It was solo for 7 years, and returned home like new.

Even the paint matched.

By the 7th season, the ship should have looked a bit Frankensteined. That's only one of my complaints about the show

Ayuh.

Sometimes, dead is bettah. (/Pet Sematary)

I can't remember which, but in one podcast for BSG RDM starts goin on "If only I could tech the tech, so we could tech the tech" in mockery of Star Trek. He's funny. I'm a fan of the podcasts

Who said anything about being upset? Like I said, hear it all the time, just wanted to let you know your remark was without negging you for it, since I knew you were tring to piss me off.

Thanks for reminding me that "Let He Who Is Withotu Sin" sucks complete ass. Seriously, I can't think of any episode in Trek that even comes close to sucking as much as that.

When you consider that they're suppposed to be in the Delta Quadrant, running low on supplies, and yet they constantly use the holodeck, replicators, destroy shuttlecraft, and use all their photon torpedoes, yes.[/QUOTE]

Just because they were in the Delta Quadrant didn't mean they were unable to use resources and find allies. We hardly ever saw them sharing stuff with other species out there or mining for dilithium, mainly because conflict with another species creates better TV than diplomacy or mining. I'm willing to let the 38 vs 90 torpedoes thing and replicator thing go (even though they survived on Neelix's food for most of season 1), but I agree with your point about the shuttlecraft and holodeck. They couldn't have possibly built as many shuttlecraft and they couldn't possibly be using the holodeck as much as they were. Even though there were very few holodeck episodes, they shouldn't have been using the holodeck AT ALL. I wish Voyager had gone in more of a Year of Hell/Equinox direction from the start (though less extreme, I'd want them to survive after all).

Voyager does not deserve most of the shit that is spoken about it. People select a handful of episodes and use it as a representative sample, when there are actually good episodes of Voyager. It would be like people using Sub Rosa, Shades of Grey, and the Last Outpost to say that TNG really sucked. Or using Move Along Home, The Emperor's New Cloak, and The Storyteller to say that DS9 sucked. All 5 series had some real stinkers, and some really great episodes. Some really good episodes of Trek took place during Voyager's run, just as really good episodes of Trek took place during the other 4 series (yes, even Enterprise). As a whole, Voyager was not the worst Trek series by a long shot.

I would have to agree.

I watched the premiere episode when Spike aired it back two weeks ago. The show started out very strong, but Voyager's biggest short-coming, at least with me, isn't that it's out-right Bad. Shows like 7th Heaven and Jericho are out-right bad, and comparing Voyager to either would be an insult no Trek series deserves.

No, Voyager was overall just...bland and unmemorable. Few of the plots stick and even some episodes tat I initially liked was back when I recorded them four years ago do very little for me. I was re-watching "Real Life" tonight, because I was testing out my new DVD/VCR recorder before I just ended the recording mid-way. I just...didn't care. Yeah, the Doc experiences a "real" family, but it's not like we ever see any of that again, or see the Doctor learn anything particualry provokative behind it, so...meh. Tuvok remains the most re-watchable charcater for me, mostly because Tim Russ is a very talented actor who was able to spin most of his scripts into something memorable.

In short, just about all the episodes from this show I would care to watch again, I could fit onto two DVDs, with room to spare.

Tim Russ is a wonderful actor. I wish the roles had been changed around a bit. Tim Russ as Chakotay (or Mambazo, whatever) and Robert Beltran as Tuvok. Beltran never really emoted anyway. He might as well have been playing a Vulcan. But the parts where Tim Russ actually got to act outside of the emotionless, logical, Vulcan shell, he did very well. Even when he acted within that emotionless, logical, Vulcan shell he was great.

I feel like ranking the actors now.

Robert Picardo > Tim Russ > Brad Dourif (Lon Suder) > Ethan Phillips > Robert Duncan McNeill > Kate Mulgrew > Roxann Dawson > Martha Hackett (Seska) > Jennifer Lien > Scarlett Pomers (Naomi Wildman) > Jeri Ryan > USS Voyager > King Abdullah II of Jordan (unnamed science officer) > Robert Beltran = Garrett Wang.

Although, I'm sure given better material, Beltran and Wang could manage to be decent actors. The writers really never did too well with Garrett Wang especially.

Also, I wish they had Lon Suder and Seska around more often. Really great characters. Fuck that random Kazon for shooting Suder in the back.

Nope. Tuvok lost the most shuttles. An issue of the now-defunct Star Trek: The Magazine did a tally.

Deanna Troi has still crashed the most starships .

I think you're forgetting when Harry caused Voyager to crash land on Hoth.

Or when Janeway used Voyager to press the reset button on the side of the Krenim time weapon.

Unless Deanna has crashed more than once?

Edit: oh my fucking God you're right! She crashed the Ent-E into the Romulan Scimitar as well!! It's a good thing she didn't help pilot the Phoenix with Zefram Cochrane.

Like you actually have to tell a Mainuh where a King quote comes from.

I disagree. Voyager was a miserable show. There was no chemistry among the cast at all, and their characters were so undefined/changed at the convenience of the plot that there was no chance there ever would be. They abandoned their basic premise starting with the second episode, leaned way too heavily on technobabble, had the whole Seven of Nine nonsense (she fought The Rock in one episode for God's sake . . . )

I wanted Voyager to be good. I thought the ship design was cool and the show had the best introductory sequence of any of the Treks. The premise was ripe with possibilities.

And the show wound up being an absolute crapfest. Even Enterprise was better (so long as you assume it's an alternate timeline and not canon).

You're describing TNG at the same time. While TNG cast did have slightly better chemistry than the VOY cast, the characters seemed to change based at the convenience of the plot. They too abandoned their basic premise starting early on. Their mission was to seek out new life and civilizations. How were they supposed to do that when they constantly shuttled diplomats back and forth across Federation territory and acted as the occasional border control? The only notable "new life/civilizations" that they encountered were the Ferengi, the Borg, and the Cardassians/Bajorans. And TNG invented technobabble.

For her first couple of seasons, Seven of Nine was OK. But the last few seasons, she really became intolerable, with the exception of a few episodes. And that stupid cross-promotion thing with The Rock...was stupid.

It was good, just not the best. The series was also really really rushed from the start. The Voyager pilot was the most expensive TV pilot at its time because of constant reshoots and rushed set construction.

Yeah.

While Voyager had lots of highs and just as many lows, ENT was a constant stream of shit going from mid-season 1 up until the season 4 premiere. I don't care if it was an alternate timeline or Riker's holonovel, it just wasn't good. An otherwise good actor (Bakula) was given terrible material and likewise acted terribly.