How the gun lobby has already blocked Boston’s bombing investigators

The risk is that the fed gov tries instead to make sales more restricted. You've said yourself that it's become very difficult to obtain powder for reenactments. Do you think it would be so hard if there was a way to trace it when it turned up in bombs? Wouldn't that be preferable to defacto prohibition?

Testing decreases the chance that the individual will make a mistake with the weapon and acknowledges a basic level of competence.

This is about suppressing the number of accidents, not about guaranteeing that no one ever does anything stupid with a gun.

The assumption that a law is worthless if it doesn't stop everything is ridiculous, and a false assertion of what the laws are trying to accomplish.

Yeah, just like Switzerland.

Gun registry there, no one has guns.

Oh wait.

Your assertion is yet another PATENT lie.

You want the lie to be true for your own reasons so you keep repeating it.

Hell, automatic weapons are registered in the US. Yet people still have automatic weapons in the US. They haven't been confiscated.

Militia laws in Massachussets required purchase of specific firearms AND confirmation that those guns were held by the people. That didn't lead to confiscation.

Guns are confiscated right now without registration for any number of reasons.

Its a false assertion every way you look at it.

You can say that you are concerned that it will lead to confiscation - you can't say it always leads to confiscation.

That is, without lying about history.

How about this one: In the overwhelming majority of cases in which registration has led to confiscation, democide followed. And that's why we're not willing to even entertain the risk that confiscation will follow registration, and therefore why we will oppose registration every single time it's proposed, in every single guise in which it's dressed up.

Oh wow......

Caught again..... I am.......

One fucking country. One.

Fine then. We can have a gun registry in America. Just every single adult male and female will have to have a gun whether they want it or not. Just like the Switzerland.

No you retarded fucker. It's not a lie.

YET.

And that is the point.

Diane Feinstein and a whole bunch of other politicians have said for years they want to ban guns.

So when they say "we just want to register your guns not ban them" we know they are fucking liars.

Like you.

Oh and lots and lots of automatic weapons were confiscated by the government. In order to be grandfathered in you had to register your gun before a certain date. Otherwise you had to give the gun to the government.

And let's look at Diane Feinstein's recent attempt to ban 700 firearms. There was no grandfather clause. The guns, all of them, would have to be turned over to the government. There would have been no keeping the weapons.

So fuck you. Lying piece shit.

Every adult male age 20-34, actually.

Also, Switzerland is not the only country to have both gun registration and no unwarranted confiscation going on.

I don't.

There are dozens of countries with gun registration laws. They also have guidelines for gun ownership - just like we do. We don't have a registry, yet guns are confiscated here. If you are saying that guns are confiscated in almost every country on Earth for one reason or the other, than yeah, duh.

What the argument for non-registration is that it ALWAYS leads to large scale confiscation.

And that's just bullshit.

Sure it is. You know that there are countries that have registration without large scale confiscation - you just admitted it.

It doesn't ALWAYS lead to confiscation.

And every country on Earth has some form of confiscation based on its laws.

Right, just like the militia act that made people register their guns to ensure compliance - oh wait, that was on the book for a hundred years and didn't lead to massive confiscation.

So yes, if you break the law ABOUT REGISTERING YOUR AUTOMATIC WEAPON they frown on that type of thing.

NO, fuck you you lying piece of shit.

That's not OWNERSHIP.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

Two seconds to check that shit. Two seconds.

But you don't want to know the truth.

A gun registry makes it very easy to confiscate guns. I think you'd have to be stupid to disagree, but if you want to argue that point with me let's do it.

There is also significant political support for banning guns here, and one of the leaders of that charge, Senator Feinstein--whose latest ban just went down in flames--is on record as stating she would rather confiscate peoples' guns. I think the evidence is pretty clear on that one.

So I don't see how you can claim that it's unreasonable for those who care about gun rights to oppose registration.

I don't care if country X has a registry and still has their gun freedoms. Country X is NOT the United States. In discussing the United States, we have to consider the political realities HERE. Not THERE. HERE.

But if you DO want to talk about other countries, in England and Australia--two countries VERY similar culturally to ours--registration ultimately led to confiscation.

Confiscation cannot happen without registration. You can claim that confiscation won't happen all you want, but I still hear voices calling for it.

It's not going to happen here if I have anything to say about it. You have nothing to fear from my gun until you try to take it away from me.

Ah, yes, that's a logical argument.

We have an amendment specifically stating that gun ownership is a right. Unlike all these other countries, its enshrined in our constitution.

But WE are the ones that are at risk for ALL THE GUNS to go away if they are registered.

Despite the Supreme Court recently stating that you can't ban even a single class of commonly used guns.

Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a political impossiblity. There's no way in hell in our life times the 2nd Amendment is going anywhere.

I think I finally understand - you have to be paranoid to become a gun nut, so once you've become one you just transfer that level of paranoia to every aspect of owning guns.

Your rights to own a gun are FAR, FAR safer than those in any other country in the world.

But dammit, if anyone wants to register guns, they are going to take all our guns away!

Just. Fucking. Silly.

The pile of dead bodies in the morgue make me feel like we are wasting people's lives to fuel the paranoia of idiots.

That would be you.

That sounds like a very badly run morgue.

Leftists have already said they want to get rid of the second amendment.

Leftists only need one more leftist SCOTUS judge to gut the 2nd Amendment.

Leftists are liars. You are a liar.

Again only one more judge is needed to change that.

And Diane Feinstein just tried to ban a commonly used gun. The AR-15 and it's derivatives.

Oh it will still be there but it will be gutted and things will look like Chicago where until SCOTUS ruled on it a couple years ago, it was next to impossible to get a gun. Unless you were a criminal.

We just see through the lies from the people on your side.

looks like they're doing a heck of a job on the 4th right now. City in lock down as the cops go door to door...

And yet we still have gun bans.

Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Tell me gun bans are off the table forever and I'll reconsider.

The AR-15 is the most common gun in America.

No chance of banning it? (BTW, I live in an area where it's already banned.)

No, but it can be judicially interpreted and legislatively circumscribed to the point where it is very difficult to enjoy the freedom it protects.

So, no gun bans have been forward lately?

Means absolutely nothing. Even with an EXPLICIT guarantee in the Constitution, some will still suggest the 2nd is all regulation and no right.

Why register them otherwise? What good does registration accomplish that makes the potential downside worhtwhile?

What do gunowners have to gain from it?

What cop is going to be stupid enough to trust a registry to tell him if there's guns in a household?

Fixed. A smart cop would presume there are if they aren't listed, and not even have to consider the question if they were.

A smart cop doesn't even bother with a registry and assumes there are guns in the house regardless, making said registry a waste of time and money.

Not surprisingly Zombie is lying about registration = banning all guns.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/01/24/fact-check-the-gun-registry-red-herring/

The fact is registration will shut down the straw purchasers and the bad actor gun dealers who supply most of the guns used in crimes. THAT is why the gun manufacturers, via their lobbying group the NRA, are against it. That would slow down gun sales and the manufacturers don't want that even if it is mostly criminals and irresponsible people who will be mostly effected.

The first question I would ask when walking into a house was, "Are there any guns, knives, or hand grenades that I need to know about?"

Then you act like guns are in the home regardless of how they answer.

So, at the end of the day, what does a registry accomplish? What end goal does the pro-registration crowd seek? It may sound like a stupid question, but I haven't seen anyone put forth an answer.

I've undergone criminal background checks for every gun I've ever bought. I had a criminal background check, passed a written test and a practical test on the gun range, and was fingerprinted to get my carry permit. I am legally, morally, and financially responsible for every round that leaves my weapon.

Just admit that you're a gun grabbing liberal and be honest about it.

The real danger? Pressure cookers!

People from Massachussets still had a pair back then.

It will be just as difficult and more expensive.

Don't be silly, Muad.

You can't bump-fire a pressure cooker.

Why does anyone bother responding to Dummy anymore anyway?

That's excellent. Sounds like you're a very responsible gun owner.

Would you mind terribly if everyone else was legally obligated to follow the same standards? If so, why?

All law abiding gun owners do follow the same standards. So leave us alone.

As far as registration and data bases go, I will (reluctantly) do a criminal background check here on Fort Gordon authorizing me to carry weapons on post to and from my hunting area. But they don't ask for specifics on any actual weapons. You register the person, not the gun, so this I can live with. I can bring all sorts of weapons on post, unregistered or not with this policy.

Not saying I don't trust the government, but since I work for/with them, I know how slip-shod they can be.

But you can bump-fire barbecue if you've got Hellfire charcoal.

I know all those words, but I've no idea what that means.