Hypothetical, if ISIS targeted an American High School

Which is not all houses. This is why I don't like blanket laws aimed at a worst case scenario. In my house it's just me and my wife. Maybe if such a law was written with specific variations and conditions - safes required with children around; safes and trigger locks with adjudicated mentally ill in the house; none of the above if all residents are stable.

I think houses with children who are under the legal driving age should be required to keep their car keys locked in a safe when not in use, but that's just me.

If you're only going one sale in, then fine. But, let's say I sold a used AR-15 perfectly legally to a perfectly stable person 10 years ago, and he sold it to someone who robbed a back with it. Not my fault.

Yeah, the liability chain can get a bit ridiculous. Shall we blame the farmer who grew the grain that was distilled into whiskey that was sold to a bar that sold it to a patron when the drunk patron crashes his car?

It's expanding to drunks/troublemakers on flights now. Or at least they want to expand it to that. It's not official yet that I know of. I can understand a company banning a person but the government banning someone from all planes? That's a bit too far.

If you sold it after the law is passed, you would be removed from the chain by completing the sale if the buyer qualifies. If he doesn't and you sell it to him anyway, then shit yeah, 10 years from now if he runs amok you're partly responsible.

I did and do keep keys in a key-safe

I think it should be a mandatory year in prison if you've sold a car to someone who gets a DUI while driving it.

Once the principle of observing due process is set aside, the "offenses" that get one banned, and the number of things for which one can be banned, will multiply. Got a dispute with the IRS? You're on the "no drive" list.

We have mandated safes and/or trigger locks for all gun owners when ever the gun is not physically in their posession. The sky has not fallen but gun deaths do to accidents have.

I don't have a problem with this so long as, as has already been mentioned, any false positives can be quickly and easily cleared up.

How expensive would the training be? Would you need to take a class each time you want to buy a firearm, or would one last for a time before needing to be re-upped?

Within reason. You can't buy a new firearm these days without a trigger lock coming with it, but if someone has to break into your locked house in order to steal the gun, I don't think the gun owner be held accountable. If you've got a kid in the household who gets a hold of an unsecured gun, then sure.

How would the federal government encourage civil lawsuits?

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Except when, you know, a California state employee decides to slaughter a bunch of other California state employees at a Christmas party. But on the bright side, the jihadist did have his guns in his possession! Wouldn't want him to do anything illegal.

Ironically, when polled about ISIS infiltrating California by KYJL news, 28% of residents said they would feel relieved to find out that a state worker was actually just an ISIS sleeper agent, because their ass was too sore to get reamed again.

And just because you sold it to an Irishman that doesn't get you off the hook either.

My kid's 9 mil came with a trigger lock. I think it's a trigger lock, it's some kind of short cable or something. He'll never use it, but keeps it in the case should he ever want to sell the gun. It's the first time I've ever seen a gun with a trigger lock myself.

If I have sold it legally with the title transferred to the new owner, why should I be liable?

An illegal gun sale is different.

I think extensive is more important than expensive. A gun dealer with facilities and accreditation to train prospective owners might train them for free. As to the details, I'd leave that to the experts.

If someone breaks into the house and steals guns that were not adequately secured, I'd say the owner shares liability if these are used in crimes. How else to encourage owners to lock up their guns?

If the gun isn't within your immediate control, it should be secured either with trigger locks or in an suitable gun safe.

Statements by appropriate agencies. Could be in the form of ads.

What if someone breaks into your locked car, hot-wires it and uses it to commit a crime that ends up in death? Should you be liable because you didn't have a "boot" on your tire? Hell, all four tires? You didn't have your car in a parking garage guarded with a professional armed guard? Adequately secured is a slippery slope indeed.

If you've got your house adequately secured, the firearms inside are adequately secured. Besides, trigger locks are for keeping someone from accidentally shooting the firearm. They won't stop a burgler from stealing one, and I've never seen a trigger lock that couldn't be quickly and easily defeated by a bolt cutter or screw driver.

So bolt cutters are our biggest national threat...after global warming of course!

Alright, Smart, give yourself up or 99 gets it!

Judicial Watch report

Five young Middle Eastern men were apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol this week in an Arizona town situated about 30 miles from the Mexican border, law enforcement and other sources told Judicial Watch.

Border Patrol agents spotted the men crossing a ranch property in the vicinity of Amado, which is located about 35 miles south of Tucson and has a population of 275. Two of the Middle Eastern men were carrying stainless steel cylinders in backpacks, JW’s sources say, alarming Border Patrol officials enough to call the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for backup. A multitude of federal agents descended on the property and the two men carrying the cylinders were believed to be taken into custody by the FBI.

Only three of the men’s names were entered in the Border Patrol’s E3 reporting system, which is used by the agency to track apprehensions, detention hearings and removals of illegal immigrants. E3 also collects and transmits biographic and biometric data including fingerprints for identification and verification of individuals encountered at the border. The other two men were listed as “unknown subjects,” which is unheard of, according to a JW federal law enforcement source. “In all my years I’ve never seen that before,” a veteran federal law enforcement agent told JW.

The disturbing incident comes just days after six men—one from Afghanistan, five from Pakistan—were arrested in nearby Patagonia, a quaint ranch town that sits 20 miles north of the Mexican border city of Nogales.​

Obama refuses to secure the border and it's going to bite us more than once just in the form of ISIS attacks. Middle Eastern refugees and terrorists have figured out that if millions of Mexicans and Central Americans can walk right in, they can too.

In typical gliar fashion, evidence of successful border security means the border is not secure. I suppose the 11 terrorists just arrested (per the article) don't count because reasons.

#WarisPeace

#AlwaysAtWarWithEastAsia

They were arrested about 25 miles north of the border. They were already in.

And there are no drugs or guns coming across at all. No siree!

Gul,

Yes they caught these people. But what about the rest that didn't get caught?

It's a pretty bad argument to say that because they caught these 11 that the border is secure.

It's a really bad argument to say that people who may not exist prove it isn't secure.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34864193

There is actually a booming business for middle eastern illegal aliens using fake passports coming to central America and entering the US illegally from there. This has been known for years.

Well I for one am SHOCKED that drug/crime cartels would assist anybody in illegal activity of any type, including assisting terrorists. Somebody needs to start vetting these characters.
BTW why did they sneak across the desert in AZ? Are all the tunnels in California closed for renovation again? If so, at least one country cares about maintaining their infrastructure.

So there aren't really 22 million illegal aliens in the US. They were all apprehended crossing the border. I'll tell that to the guys who brings me free chips and salsa and see what they say about it.

The millions of illegals who've crossed the border over the years prove it isn't secure.

It's more secure than it's ever been under any other modern day president.