Illegal Immigrants' 'Rights'.

Breaking the law and going unpunished is a talent, not a right. That is all.

Couldn't you have posted this nugget in the Path to Citizenship thread?

They have the right to remain silent as armed federal agents lock them in cuffs and leg irons and cart their law breaking asses back to where their legal country of residence.

I certainly could have, if I'd seen the Path to Citizenship thread. You bein' an evil girly-admin (or perhaps an evil Japanese girly snicker-admin, if thou wilt) I reckon you could merge it or some other sorta vudu and I wouldn't cry none over it.

What is this, Deadwood?

Best check with your auto insurance carrier. Alliance is now offering to cover illegals.

Yes, but please don't hide it.

Facts are facts, we , here in the U.S. seem to generally take care of our own. Why will we not continue this trend? Have we given up, just said " the hell w/ it "?

Do we assume the morons we elect will do the right thing? If so , we are in for a real treat!

Yes, we already know of your love for criminals-slash-penchant for treason. We get it already.

If I were the CEO of Alliance, your post would make sense. As it stands, you're talking out of your ass.

It's an insurance company...they would cover ben Ladin if he asked.

Yeah, sucka, illegal immigrants have the right.

The right to paaaiiinnn.

"Best check with your auto insurance carrier" sounds to me like a defense of illegals far more than it does a condemnation of a corporation that aids and abets. And as for the "talking out of your ass" thing, I'd name the orifice you've been talking out of on this subject since 2003, but I'd like to finish my breakfast and so will set it aside for the moment.

Is it then the general opinion of the right-wing that they don't have any rights?

As an immigration lawyer I have mixed views on this. There are certainly those people who come from parts of the world where they do genuinely face a threat to their lives and it's understandable for some to risk breaking the law in order to seek asylum. However, it is a fact that the majority of asylum seekers to the West are econmic migrants only and that there are a lot more people who do not make asylum claims who still break the immigration laws of the countries they enter and then come to people like me expecting to have a right to stay.

My view is that unless an entrant can prove that there is a serious risk to their life then there is absolutely no justifcation for breaking the immigration laws of the country they have entered. Accordingly, upon breaking the immigration laws without exceptional justification they should be denied any right to remain in a permanent basis and thereafter naturalise.

It was a statement of fact. You don't usually react to statements of fact like a fucking


So I guess it's my fault.

Side note- that dog in Garamet's post needs two rounds to the head.

The only right an illegal immigrant has is to leave and legally come back using the process afforded to all potential immigrants.

Actually, [-]illegals[/-] undocumented workers do have quite a few rights.

However I've noticed that most people don't mind throwing the Constitution out the windo when it doesn't suit them, so feel free to ignore this post...


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person/b] be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Do they have the right to life?

^^ I'm fine with them having all that, and the stuff from the First Amendment too. And life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and the "right" to not have crimes committed against them, and so on.

But that's about it. And if they get caught and deprived of liberty while pursuing happiness in a direction that doesn't lead straight back to Mexico, well, that's on their own heads.

^Not if some members of Gunforge had their way.

Yes, but not just anywhere they choose. Being born in a backwards nation doesn't secure the right to trade up without going through the proper motions.

So once they're in the US, they don't have the right of life, is that it?

Right of a life in America? Nope.

And as I've said before, anyone who dies as a result of commiting or attempting to commit a crime is responsible for their own death.

You can shoot them then?

Everyone has the right to life. Just not at anyone else's expense.

The right to life does not include the right to live in your neighbor's house. (<-metaphor, in case you had planned on missing it)

Yes, they have the right to survive in the U.S. -- long enough to be removed back to their country of legal residence. They do not have the right to reside in the U.S. illegally.

Stop playing compound-context games.

I agree, however, there are a number of people who think that the Constitution doesn't apply to non-Americans.

(Insert Kirk's "E Plebnista" speech from "The Omega Glory" here, if you want MY opinion on the matter)

That said, every immigrant has the right to try to come here...THE RIGHT WAY.