In news that surprises absolutely no one with a brain

We've already been over that. You can't knowingly repent and be forgiven if you do something in full awareness it is a sin with full prior intent.

I'm confused. You're saying that god won't forgive specific intent crimes? And you're saying you didn't intend to slap your wife?

You're just not getting what I'm saying are you?

That makes no sense. Crimes are sins. People commit crimes intentionally all the time. But only some of those are intentional sins?

Nope. I believe you would call it a loss of temper. Spur of the moment or something of that nature.

Once again, you can't understand that something bad can be done and then you apologize, the victim forgives you and you both put it behind you.

So a court would find you not guilty.

You've lost me there.

You're claiming lack of mens rea - thus you can't be found guilty of assault or battery.

Still lost.

I think that people lost view of what the real problem was in the original Zimmerman case. The local government was the real problem. Either it was the police or local prosecutor who decided not to prosecute based on something beyond SYG the night of the killing. Jorge killed someone and it seemed white privilege somehow got mixed up in there and he did not have to face a trial. Something like a killing deserves a trial, and we are seeing more and more how when the police and town want to they avoid these trials and find a way to let the people they want walk. It also showed there was a huge problem with SYG laws and how they could be used to allow someone to instigate a fight and then legally kill someone.

Despite thinking jorge is a violent sociopath who really should be behind bars, it is true his case could not fully convince people that at the time of the shooting he was not afraid for his life. The jurors had to forget the reality he had many chances to retreat and be safe and he put himself into that life or death situation and that is what got him off. Without stand your ground he would have had to retreat or stay back to continue to have a self defense case. The law also needs to be changed. But the demonstrations had to focus on just getting him to trial and the focus was lost on the police corruption and the terrible stand your ground laws. It all became about zimmerman who is just a flawed man. Thet last election the people of florida were not screaming for the repeal of SYG. They never really protested for the repeal of SYG anyway. Zimmerman did what every criminal on trial does. They make their best defense and use the laws to get off.

He keeps onm doing the same thing, and the law keeps on fucking up when dealing with him. He also know the law around him is a bunch of screwball incompetents. He knows he can play the rich white daddy card despite being a wetback little spick. If his name had not been changed from his spanish ancestors he would be jorge on cellblock B. The white cops would have thanked him for kiklling a black thuig and popped him into gen pop where he would have had black cons fill him full of semen. Still, the problems are the cops, the prosecutor who was there to set him free that night, and the local town.

As for the nation the real problem was the media. Both the right and left side lied like a blonde faux news bimbo. One side was claiming he was not injured and showing some blurry tapes of the wrong side of his head. The other was hyping a normal teenager up to be some burglary suspect who had been caught days before and jorge was aware the crimes were solved. There was bullshit about treyvon robotripping which was a new name for doing meth by using skittles and iced tea to extract from robotussin.Yes, i know most people are unaware of how chemistry works from watching too much breaking bad, but you cannot extract meth from DXM containing products. Not to mention skittles and iced tea do not have anything to do with robotrippin .

Basically they got the whole country worked up with bullshit and false evidence, and of course no one can make sense of it considering how much bullshit was floating around the blogsphere and major media. In the end, long before he was shooting an unarmed kid he was beating the crap out of his wife, punching police officers, and he continues to keep having those problems. I have no sympathy folr whatever punching bag he is dating now. He is poor spick trash, and you know he beats women. You know he does this, and yet there seems to be women lining up for a smack in the mouth and a bad fuck. I hope he gets arrested for it, but i cannot have much sympathy for a woman who dates his ass. When you date jorge you are obviously looking for a good beating. It is not even like there is a chance you are not going to take a beating. It would be like leaving your kids with Micheal jackson back when he was alive, or getting a drink from Bill Cosby today.

^It didn't help that NBC (IIRC) was caught flat out editing a copy of Zimmerman's 911 call to make it look like Zimmerman was a racist.

Were you really expecting him to?

You never know. Maybe he'd had an epiphany.

I have to say I'm with @Dayton on this, excepting the bit about God that I don't understand. Redemption and forgiveness doesn't negate that the forgiven evil is evil; it is in turn not dependent on the evil being only marginally evil. Letting go means letting go of that evil, period. Why can't we let go of it if the two of them have?

You got a thing for the black death, eh?

It's just because that he's a "WHITE HISPANIC" and had a poor troubled childhood.....

Not sure why liberals find this so hard to see understand. Curious if their feelings of O.J have changed since he's now spending time in prison.

Well, it would be helpful to know what position you've decided liberals held on O.J.

That's a very good question. I don't see how this was anyone's business in the first place. Since it's been ten years and the two of them have worked it out I'd say it is time for our resident busy bodies to get over it.

I'm going to guess he thinks we liked the result of the trial in Judge Ito's court, cuz, you know, the bizzaro caricature of liberalism created by rightforge holds that black people are always innocent, or something.

So with this pattern of armed confrontation, does anyone really believe that Zimmerman got out of his car and was walking around to try and see a streetsign (apparently lost in his own subdivision.... where he was the self proclaimed Neighborhood Watch Captain)?

Seriously, who here still buys that shit?

Well, OJ was clearly guilty, but that was the right verdict given the incompetent prosecution. Adding tons of shitty evidence to strong evidence does not, in fact, enhance the persuasiveness of the strong evidence. When you take several months to present a very basic murder case, sequestering the jury the whole time, all you do is cause the jury to believe that you doubt your own case and that you hate the jurors with a fiery passion. The prosecutors should have wrapped up in about three days, maybe two weeks if they went really overboard.

By the time the case wrapped up the prosecutors proved themselves to be incomperable fools and the jury just wanted to go home. They delivered the appropriate verdict.

Paladin, Forbin, and T.R., apparently.

Can't speak for others but...

1. What was GZ's first action on becoming suspicious of Martin? He called the police. Had he wanted a confrontation, he could've had it sooner.

2. GZ's story about the events, their timing, and their circumstances are supported by the evidence.

3. Reliable eyewitness testimony supports GZ's claim of self-defense.

What FACTS do any of you have that unambiguously show this was not lawful self-defense?

I highlighted the question for you since you seemed to have missed it.

So with this pattern of armed confrontation, does anyone really believe that Zimmerman got out of his car and was walking around to try and see a streetsign (apparently lost in his own subdivision.... where he was the self proclaimed Neighborhood Watch Captain)?

It's impossible for us to know what anyone involved intended.

It's only possible to know what they actually did.

You seem eager to ignore the pile of evidence that backs GZ's claims in favor of some interpretation of his mental state that is both unknowable to you and irrelavent to the case.

Also, your characterization of events is a little biased. He was not "lost in his own subdivision;" he was trying to get the cops a street address. And his actions are consistent with that claim. Also, Neighborhood Watch is a voluntary institution, not an elected or appointed public post, so everyone who participates in it is "self-proclaimed."

The wheels on the bus go round and round.
round and round.
round and round.
The wheels on the bus go round and round,
all through the town!

So he says. But there is no evidence beyond that.

Precious little. Mostly they are supported by plausibility, as in that is one way it could have happened.

Oh, there was somebody there who saw the whole thing? My mistake, I thought there was not, which is why we only have Zimmerman's plausible but not proven story, and evidence that he was on the losing end of a fist fight. This person who witnesses the fight, who was that?

I have not argued that it wasn't, simply that it isn't proven. Just like you cannot prove that the killing was with intentional malice, you cannot prove it was self defense. As stated twice already, not proven does not mean innocent.

[edit to fix quote tags, don't want to be a Dayton]

Gosh, it's almost as if you're saying it's possible for situations to exist that aren't choices between two binary extremes!