Incel argument tangent from MTL massacre thread

He's being referred to as an incel because he matches their ideologies in many of the relevant ways, and is to this day held us a hero by many in the incel communities.

Your "speculation for the sake of discussion" about his motivations is cute, but kinda redundant given the evidence like his suicide note, the things he said to people on the day of his attack, the interviews with people who knew, lived, and worked with him in the years leading up to the massacre, and all the other detailed studies and investigations of his entire life that have taken place over the last 30 years.

Cam you link us to any of the reports, studies, interviews or articles you have used as the basis for your repeated insistence in this thread that he is being unfairly categorised? Everything I have read suggests that in 2022 he would have fit into the Incel community perfectly, but would love to see the contradictory evidence you have.

from the wikipedia page

do you defend him because you see yourself in some way?

The contrarian point of view is always correct regardless of evidence!

What does that have to do with anything?

Well that's fucking stupid. There would obviously be some overlap between "involuntary celibate " and "hate feminists," but to insist they are the same category is lazy. You don't even know if he was straight.

He hated women so much that he killed a bunch of them and then himself. He therefore can no longer get laid, so I'd say there is a pretty solid causal link.

More cutesy fucking editorializing. "What he said" means verbatim quotes without spin.

And yet you can't resist.

Me pounding your mother doesn't count.

There's still the chance he enjoys the prison lovin' almost as much as you.

same as Fisherman's Worf's point about the gait of a duck. guess the "white/caucasian" thing got you triggered thinking I was gonna throw "white guilt" or something like that into the mix?

1-no, it really doesn't

2-that wasn't speculation, but reading comprehension. sorry they don't teach that in your schools.

3-"pounding"... you might wanna think about phrasing there, bubba. you're not dissuading anyone of your proclivities.

Thanks for reminding us you haven't read a single thing about this.

UA's bullshit aside, this sort of brings up a shrodingers cat type situation. Are you an incel if you are not actively seeking to get laid, but if you were no one would fuck you?

Then that might mean that being an incel is actually changing based upion opportunity or desire. If you fall out of actively wanting to get laid then you are no longer involuntary celibate because you have lowered down into a neutral state.

Then you have to ask whether being horny while not in the physical presence of a willing partner that you have means you are in an incel state. Then what if you have to wait to have sex. Would you be an incel because you didn't have sex in the car on the ride home from dinner even though both of you were going to do it later?

There seems to be a whole area of quantum celibacy out there.

Come on people, there is so much more to this incel conversation than arguing with UA. Have some fucking fun once in a while.

Nahh, it's like the whole antisemitic thing with Ye. Lots of people could handwave it away with things like, "He misspoke" or "What he really meant was" or "he might say those things, but he doesn't support things like genocide." Then he came out and said that he loved Hitler. Whelp, not any way you can spin that so that he's not a fan of genocide.

By labeling this guy an incel, you're effectively saying that people who share this guy's ideas but don't necessarily call themselves "incels" have the potential to be mass murderers. Nevermind that self-proclaimed incels who've committed murder share the dude's feelings about women since the term didn't exist then, he couldn't have been one, or even suggest that he would have called himself by the term had it existed then. That's akin to saying that a Klansman in 1900 shouldn't be called a Nazi, because Nazis weren't around then, even if they shared the same ideas. You might even be able to point to Klansmen who specifically lumped Germans in with "sub-human races" because they weren't descended from folks in the UK, or Nazis who thought Klansmen were "sub-humans" because they didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. Doesn't change the fact they're all a bunch of shitheels who share 99% of the same toxic belief system, and while the distinctions might be important for academic purposes when it comes to people who need to have the fuck beaten out of them as soon as they open their mouths, there's no difference between them at all. Just as you don't need to know if it's a timber rattlesnake or a diamondback rattlesnake that you hear, you just need to get the fuck out of there. It might handy to know if you've been bitten by one, but probably not, as the antivenoms hospitals have are tailored to the species in your area, so unless you've been bitten in, say, Ohio, by a rattler native to Argentina, they're not going to care about the specifics of what kind of rattler it is.

And UA puts on the airs of being an academic stickler of types of rattler, but then he condenses liberalism entire into a pink haired woman screaming in his ear.
So, yeah, I'm thinking guilty conscience.

I didn’t know WF had so many psychiatrists.

You're right, I should play to my true strengths....writing Christmas specials.

A Very Uncle Albert Christmas.


*UA walks into his living room, having just woken up. His Christmas tree is a weed plant in a flower pot. There's a present in gold wrapping sitting next to it*

UA- "Who left this? ". *Opens it* (Happy gasp! ) It's a lethal injection!!!

*Jabs himself in the neck*

UA- Oooohhh, III'm fiiinallyyyy goooiing to Heeaaaveeenn!!!! *thud!*

*Whispering noises come from inside the walls. After about 40 seconds, a cockroach scurries out, and checks over UA's carcass. The roach runs back to his friends. More whispering. Swarms of roaches and rats come pouring out in jubilant celebration. The rats open all the windows, and let the crows in. The crows and rats start pecking and nibbling pieces off UA, and serving him up on crackers*

*Credits roll over the vermin party to this song*

I think it would be better if UA refused to take the Christmas present because he works for everything and doesn’t take hand outs and Jenne cries in the corner. Christmas is ruined, but then after a week of not talking to each other, on New Year’s Eve at the stroke of midnight they have make up sex in the Jeep. The End.

My version still works if the rats put a card on the gift that says it's his Christmas bonus.
Then he feels like he earned it.

There are no xmas decorations in my apartment, and I would never be admitted into heaven.

ooh... aren't we pithy?

that was limp, even for you

Valhalla doesn't take thralls... just a head's up.

Thrall:
1. The state of being in someone's power or having great power over someone.
2. A slave, servant or captive.


So I'm guessing either a commentary on the fact that I value the concept of earning your keep by working for a living, or the fact that I don't make big brave internet noises to mindlessly shit on all police as one homogeneous monolith.

That's a lot of words to plaster over hypocrite and coward, but okay.

Is this the day you finally back up your bullshit with evidence? Nah.

By the way, courage is not demonstrated on the internet, no matter how much of your existence it consumes. Nothing you say here does anything to prove you have mastered your own fear, or really that you have accomplished a single meaningful thing in life.

ya kind do though...
I mean, it seems you think you're the only one on the board with a job... hardest working man on the internet, you are.

is this gonna be the day that you finally back your bullshit with evidence? nope? just throw shit at discussions wherein you've contributed...well... more shit?




Starting to wonder if getting told you're an asshat is some sort of kink for you? Clearly you enjoy looking like an imbecile in front of a crowd.

Seems like a bad idea to forcibly subsume antifeminist violence into incel-dom, even if there’s a fair amount of overlap. Like if you’re looking for people who might have radicalized him, it doesn’t seem like it was the incels (they tend to be pretty vocal about being such), and restricting your search to them means you’ll miss the real threat. It’s cute and fun on a message board to call him someone who can’t get laid, but I think that’s missing the bigger issue: that there are violent antifeminists who aren’t found in the incel community.

Yeah, but since the violent incels have claimed him as one of their own it's a weird hill to focus and die on.

Certainly not as weird as playing devil's advocate on how maybe he was just driven to it by affirmative action.

Have they? I missed that. Saw lots of speculation they would, little evidence of it. But I’ll take your word on that.

Devil’s advocate? No, paranoiac’s advocate, that maybe there’s another violent movement that’d be very tempting to ignore.