Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

No one is being thrown from a roof and stoned in Israel. Is that what you wanted to know?

So, no one is being thrown from a roof and stoned in the US. But, give the Christians enough time and god knows what they will get up to. Why speak on shit you don’t know?

They're the only country in the region acceptable of alphabet people and the only country in the region that grants them rights. Also, don't paint all Christians with the same brush.

Israel is not only the best country in the Middle East for LQBTQ+ rights, it's arguably more progressive than the United States on that front.

Are you capable of speaking of people who are different from you without derision? Just curious.

Yes.

Is this a Jenee parody account?

It's been awhile since I checked in on this situation. How is the genocide going?

Hamas is begging for a 5 day ceasefire in exchange for 70 hostages. Of course, in the past the number of hostages they've released didn't turn out to be alive. So my guess is we are back to our regularly scheduled finding out;

The big deal is that the Israelis have penetrated the Hamas tunnels under Gaza City - and keep finding their HQs hidden underneath the local hospitals.

In the West related genocidal news, a19 year old Michigan man has pled guilty to threatening a mass shooting of Jews, a Montreal Jewish school has taken gunfire twice, a Cleveland Jewish cemetery has been desecrated, the UK recorded over 1000 incidents of anti-semetism, Germany's chancellor has apologized for the wave of antisemetism in Germany, Germany has banned the phrase 'from the river to the sea' as genocidal, and multiple anti-semetic instances have occurred in US colleges, including Cornell (where a student was arrested for threatening to kill Jews), Brown, MIT, and Columbia, among others.

The US provides for LGBQT+ rights. I wouldn’t say the US is a safe place for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community.

Canadian peace activist believed to be taken hostage found dead in the Kibbutz she lived in:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-israeli-vivian-silver-confirmed-dead

“Vivian Silver, the Canadian-Israeli peace activist previously thought to be taken hostage, has been confirmed dead, murdered by Hamas in Kibbutz Beeri,” wrote Israel’s consul general in Toronto Idit Shamir. “Our hearts go out to her family and friends. May her memory be a blessing.”

Guess they are still finding bodies from the initial attack 6 weeks ago.

Useful idiots, the both of you. Hamas always claims anything short of a complete surrender by Israel is genocide, and there are always dupes willing to believe it and repeat it.

As if Hamas wouldn't genocide the fuck out of Israelis if they had the means. They would have zero problem ethnically cleansing Palestine, which is apparently just dandy with some people.

A large part of Hamas strategy is to make civilian casualties and collateral damage as unavoidable as possible, while crying in the media about how the people of Gaza are suffering. Yeah they're suffering, because Hamas plans it that way, then pressures civilians into rejecting all IDF attempts to minimize suffering.

And the naive idiots in the west see the Hamas propaganda repeated by reporters and UN officials and swallow it without question.

The hospital stuff is the most recent example. They're rejecting fuel, they're rejecting portable incubators, they're rejecting IDF assistance with evacuating the babies, they're refusing the use the provided evacuation corridors, their spokesman are insisting the only way to help the premature babies in the hospital is for the IDF to agree to the same lengthy ceasefire that Hamas has been demanding. What halfway intelligent person sees all of this and concludes "Israel is obviously doing genocide, those meanies?"

Please then, do explain your context here:

This is just the tip of the iceberg, you racist piece of shit

So I am off today and got a bit FF’ed. Enjoy:

There is no easy answer here.

HAMAS is a terrorist organization and should be destroyed root and branch.

End of sentence. It should no longer continue to exist.

Eliminated.


30k civilians died when Iraqi forces retook Mosul from ISIS. No one wanted 30k people to die. On the other hand ISIS wasn’t just going to walk away so there wasn’t really any other option.

I think we can all agree it is better for ISIS to not rule Mosul.

Unfortunately civilians die in wars.

[break in thought]

Israel can both be (currently) an apartheid state but also need to continue to exist.

The majority of Israelis are Mizrahim. 54% IIRC.
These are Jews and their descendants that were kicked out of their native Muslim countries* after 1948.

For some reason** we think of Israelis as being pastie ass white guys of Polish, German, Lithuanian, etc descent that after the holocaust decided to move to Israel.

And that they could all just ‘go back home’. But no. The majority of Israelis have no where to go. Their property was seized and they were forced out.

Their only country is Israel.

All that said eventually it comes down this:
83% of all Jews that are alive today live in two countries.

One of which is under constant rocket fire and now we know after Oct 7 are under constant threat of being invaded and civilians being gleefully raped and executed.

The other country has a 50/50 chance of electing a guy who said skin heads marching down a street, protesting the removal of a statue of someone who fought for the ‘right’ of people to own other people chanting ‘The Jews will not replace us’ as they carried torches as being ‘Good People’.

So yeah. Argue the IDF is ‘overreacting’ but c’mon… what is the alternative***?


*look up Ben-Gurion’s public comments on the Mizrahim. Specifically the Moroccan Jews. He seriously wanted to limit their emigration to Israel as they were too poor, uneducated and conservative and would hinder the Jewish socialist state he wanted to establish.

**Okay, not just ‘some reason’ but because the Ashkenazi Jews/Labour Party dominated Israeli politics for decades until the Mizrahim… hmmm… how to say… the Mizrahim had larger families than the Ashkenazi… until Likud could build a governing majority….

***Netanyahu needs to go sooner rather than later and is in a large part responsible for the current situation.

I know gay jews and gays who have been to Isreal. Sorry, but no. I believe them over some dumb fuck on the internet trying to make shit up so I can die fighting Muslims for Isreal. Orthodox jews and zionists do not mind lying to gays so they can waste their lives on the battlefield, but tit is their Torah who defines homosexuality and transgenderism as an abomination to god. They disown their GLBT children and cast them out to die just like the christians do.

The ortho jews are so fuckingf bad they will vote with the anti-semites of charlottesville just to get rid of the GLBT community. I live in america and the radical religious right over here threatening GLBT people is Christians and orthodox jews. Muslims repugs are third on the list and may even be less than log cabin republicans.

GFY asshole. Any time you want to bring me to an orthodox jewish event I have the dress for it, and you will be right besides me being cast the fuck out with the sinners.

I do not need a google search because I have GLBT jewish friends who have been to Isreal, and who are not allowed at orthodox jewish weddings and such because the Torah says so.

You are a fucking liar.

Wrong. Isreal has killed and stoned jews.

2nd entry with a simple google search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv_gay_centre_shooting

Isrealis don't attack GLBT people? WTF is wrong with your lying ass BS. The Torah is the originator of the gays are abominations to god. God hates fags comes directly from Leviticus you dipshitted little liar.

Uh no. That is such a lie.

The Torah started the lie that god hates fags. This is the Jewish holy book. Jews have to be careful of who they are in most of Isreal and will be assaulted on the streets by orthodox jewish people for being gay.

Put your idiocy where your mouth is and go put a guy in a dress out there in the regular old streets in Isreal and see how long before they are harassed and beaten.

I have been in bumfuck AL, AK, VA, GA, NC, and SC and I would rather be in one of those places than trusting Isreali police to help me with some Jews trying to stone me in Isreal.

Make a new thread about it and get back to repping me.

Lol go fuck yourself you racist piece of shit

I do not need your permission to fap, but if it makes you feel happy I will.

Now go hang with your boy FF and UA. You know the two you back on their regular racism and prejudice here.

The only racism you guys whine about is anti-white conservative racism.

Let us get to some more unanswered questions for @Dr. Krieg . Since Isreal is such a welcoming place to people, what if as a non-jew I wanted to move there and buy some land from the jewish Isrealis? Isreal is supposedly one of those truly equal places that respects everyone. I am sure they would sell me some land as a non-jew, right?

Oh no, this great land of equality and rights will not sell me any land because it is illegal for jewish owned land to be sold to a non-jew. Guess what, as an orthodox view of zionist jewish belief if you are GLBT you cannot be jewish. So if I am a trans person or in a gay marriage I cannot be a jew by jewish law in Isreal, and I cannot buy land from a jew in Isreal.

The apartheid laws of Isreal do not just effect Palestinians, they are jewish superior laws that effect any non-jewish person, and GLBT people cannot be considered Jewish because their holy book says they cannot be.

Of course, many jews are not orthodox and have chosen to accept their GLBT friends and relatives. However, the orthodoxy is specifically that. They are orthodox followers of the Torah. The orthodox view of being a Jew is what is followed for land ownership in Isreal. By being out in Isreal you Jeopardize your rights to own land by law because the government judges based upon the laws of the Torah. So at any time your jewish status can be stripped from you because you are GLBT.

For right now Isreal needs bodies in the IDF and people to occupy the lands they are stealing from non-jewish indiginous people who end up being Islamic Palestinians. Eventually they will not need bodies for the battlefield and will need any GLBT or non-jewish land for the more orthodox jews to live and like most orthodox religious people who base their belifs on the laws of the Torah and the book of leviticus they will have a religious reason to take land from the GLBT community and kill them just like any other religious state.

right now they obviously have no problem lying to recruit GLBT people to die for the Isreali cause. Let the idiot GLBT people fight and die for an easily broken promise of acceptance. Make it seem like the Muslims are ther anti-GLBT threat that gays should lay down their life to fight. Let us not forget Jewish land is noit GLBT protected land, and any group that would steal land through apartheid religious policy will turn to theier religious book to throw out the gays when they are no longer of use for dying to fight for Isreal.

I do have a question about a couple of people's religious backgrounds here.

In case it is not known I was born adjacent to roman catholicism, but was only baptised and was never brought to church by my parents who were children of German and Italian US immigrants. I am agnostyic with tendencies towards pagan spiritualism and shamanic practices myself. I come from the suburbs of NYC where there were large numbers of both jewish and muslim people of varying levels of faith who I have worked with and have enjoyued the company of. I have friendships and business relationships with many jewish people from NYC and long Island and have worked with the Hacidic jews as their kids liked to play paintball and I was chosen by the owner of cousins paintball, a jewish business man named Jerry Braun, to be one of the few people who was allowed to participate in reffing those people because of my profesionalism and lack of offense to any jewish prickliness their people had. I also have experience working in the Jewish communities of NY in the Tech world and was employed by an orthodox owned retailer of bBay Networks networking equipment back during the PC boom of the 90's. I also am a mamber of the GLBT community who has worked and been associated with many Gay and trans members of the jewish community. I presently live around Boca Raton Florida which has a huge Jewish community and many of them visit and contribute to Isreal..

I have also studied Asian religions in college and am familiar with members of the muslim community and have helped some through trying times during 9/11 in the area near ground zero where prejudice was a big problem. I knoiw a few families from multiple middle eastern countries like pakistan, Irtaq and Syria who i have worked with and enjoyed friendships with. I have had opportunity to discuss with them their countries of origen and family relations there. I have attended prayers and NY mosques and religious ceremonies with my Islamic friend, along with my jewish friends, though I do not share their faith.

Now that I have explained who I am, maybe @Dr. Krieg and perhaps @Jan Jansen can tell us a bit about their cultural position so we might know how it might bias their views. Are you jewish? If you are are you orthodox or zionist? Since this is obviously a discussion that would involve bias due to religious or ethnic backgrounds why don't you guys lay your cards on the table. I have not been familiarized with who you are like others may have been.

https://www.politico.eu/article/lea...av-michaeli-something-very-wrong-global-left/

I'm going to scroll past the psychotic screed obviously unfolding in this thread, and say that I chuckled as I didn't read a word you said.

So it's been hours since the IDF entered al-shifa hospital with medical supplies and search teams, and since they're clearly not genociding every sickly Palestinian they find, most of the headlines I'm seeing are along the lines of "how dare they enter a hospital, is nothing sacred?"

Oh, and Justin Trudeau tried to virtue signal in a speech over the weekend and Netanyahu wasn't having it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...er-he-says-israels-killing-of-babies-must-end

Who are you talking to?