It's HIGH TIME the 2nd Amendment was REPEALED. Sorry Gunforge ,your guns must be TAKEN AWAY from you

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  1. Diacanu

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    And that's why they had to let Charles Manson go.
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    Right, because Mandon didn't infringe on anyone. :rolleyes:
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  3. Diacanu

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    He didn't kill anyone, he brainwashed his flunkies to do it.
    And by UA's logic for suicide, no one makes anyone do anything.
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  4. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Well, no shit. Does SCOTUS actually have some humanity?

    https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218038973/supreme-court-illinois-semiautomatic-gun-ban
    Supreme Court leaves Illinois semiautomatic gun ban in place


    The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday left in place an Illinois ban on AR-15 semiautomatic weapons.

    Two lower courts have upheld the law, and Thursday's Supreme Court action marked the second time in six months that the justices have declined to intervene.

    Illinois passed the ban on assault weapons after the 2022 Independence Day parade shooting that left seven people dead and 48 wounded. The gunmen in the July 4th shooting fired 83 rounds in under a minute using an AR-15. The ban prevents people from owning semiautomatic weapons, such as the one used in that shooting, as well as magazines that enable handguns and rifles to fire off many rounds without reloading.
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    Don't worry, they'll prove otherwise soon enough.
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    I expect the gun violence in Chicago to drop precipitously, any day now.
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    Vigilante Who Chased Down And Shot Elderly Man After Minor Car Crash Convicted Of Murder

    Let's look at the indisputable facts of the case:
    1. Old guy (Kenneth Herring) gets involved in a minor fender bender, leaves the scene of the accident.
    2. A woman who merely witnessed the accident, chases old guy down, crashes her car into his, and demands that he return to the accident scene.
    3. Old guy gets shot.

    Now, what's in dispute:
    1. If the old guy was having a medical emergency (and thus shouldn't have been behind the wheel of the car at all).
    2. Why she shot him.

    The old guy was diabetic, and if you know anything about diabetics, you know that they can experience sudden changes in their blood sugar levels and not know who the fuck they are and what's going on at a moment's notice. The shooter claims that she was trying to get Herring to return to the accident, he argued with her, she felt threatened, pulled her gun out, he lunged for it, and in the ensuing struggle, the gun went off, killing Herring. Eyewitnesses say she yelled at Herring after crashing into his car, stepped back from Herring's car, pulled her gun out, yelled at him, and then shot him.

    Even if you believe her story, it's not a good look for her: She nearly lost control of her gun, and it was only by chance that the gun happened to be pointed in Herring's direction when it went off. So, you have to ask yourself, "Is that the kind of person you want having a gun?" Someone who can't maintain control of a deadly weapon in a crisis?
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    Are you fine with death threats? If not, why not?
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    Actual death threats with imminent intent, no. Your angle will be that this is a limitation on free speech, and by extension all limitations on any right can be rationalized if you are superficial enough in your comparison.
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    My "angle" is that your simplistic formula excludes all of the nuance and complexity of reality.
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    I was not the cause of all the violence in Chicago.
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    I'd be more concerned about plenty of other US cities when it comes to gun violence...


    The cities with the highest firearm homicide rates are clustered in the South, generally in red states with less restrictive gun laws, according to an analysis by the left-leaning Center for American Progress Action Fund provided exclusively to Axios.

    Why it matters: The report argues that the findings refute Republican narratives that progressive policies stoke more crime in cities.

    • In fact, there's a distinct gap between urban firearm homicide rates in blue states — which tend to have stronger gun safety laws — and those in red states, the report concludes.
    • The analysis used data from the Gun Violence Archive on the 300 most populous U.S. cities.
    • It comes amid a growing push to treat gun violence as a public health crisis, including New Mexico's controversial use of a public health order to ban open and concealed carry.
    What they're saying: The analysis shows "we're really seeing two different Americas when it comes to gun violence," said Chandler Hall, the report's author and a senior policy analyst at CAP.

    • "There's already a lot that cities are trying to do to address gun violence locally … but when they're hamstrung by state policies and can't control the flow of guns or how guns are carried in their cities, there's only so much city officials can do," he added.
    • What's more, some blue-state cities, like Chicago, are bordered by red states with looser gun laws.
    Zoom in: St. Louis had America's highest gun homicide rate in 2022, followed by Birmingham, Ala., New Orleans, Jackson, Miss., and Baltimore.

    By the numbers: The average gun homicide rate in blue-state cities was 7.2 per 100,000 residents from 2015 to 2022, the analysis found. In red-state cities, it was 11.1 deaths per 100,000.

    Yes, but: Gun homicide rates were higher overall in blue cities — as defined by the mayor's party affiliation — than in red ones.

    • The report argues that blue cities differ from red cities when it comes to factors like population size, poverty rate and inequality, and that contrasting them doesn't yield meaningful conclusions.
    The big picture: Cities also typically don't have much control over gun laws, experts say.


    • "A lot of cities are bound by state-level policies," said Dan Semenza, an assistant professor at Rutgers and a member of the Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium at the Rockefeller Institute of Government."There's often little wiggle room for cities to be able to go far and beyond the policies that states have on the books because the cities are required to abide by those laws and policies."
    • Semenza was not involved with the CAP analysis and had not seen it before talking to Axios, so was not directly addressing its results.
    • He said that research has shown that laws to keep children from accessing guns and background checks paired with some kind of licensing or permitting can reduce gun violence. On the other hand, more permissive concealed carry laws increase the risk of violence.
    • "At the end of the day, it's just about guns and opportunities and that risk, and it goes up when more guns are available," he said. "It's not about individual intent. It's about population-level risk."
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    Full disclosure, I”m not reading all that. However, one doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to know violent crime, especially, violent crime involving guns, is going to be more prevalent in the south.

    First, weather has SOOOO much to do with that. Cold weather means people (even criminals) will not go out unless they have to.
    Second, inner cities in the north comprise high populations of black people, whereas nearly every city in the south has a higher population of white people. In this instance, race is a factor as white people make up about 65%=/- the population of the US and black people only about 20% of the population. By maintaining that the majority of gun violence takes place in northern inner cities, white people can pretend the problem is black people. This is why organizations accepting money from the government cannot report on gun violence.
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    Spot the bullshit spin!

    Not "meaningful" in that it points to more than a mindless fixation on firearms as a cause OR solution.
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  22. Diacanu

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    UA's new avatar is hilarious.
    That Futurama episode made fun of wrestling gimmicks, and UA is exactly the kind of mouth breathing rube who'd boo Bender.
    There's no way in Hell he's that self-aware.
    No fucking way.
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    It’s no secret that crime rates (regardless of gun use) is higher in poorer areas. That’s not a US thing or even a modern thing. London and Paris were both high in crime when the majority of those cities were poor - prior to capitalism.
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    Anecdotal, but when I used to work nights and overnights covering news, violent crime here tended to go up during really cold weather because after being cooped up indoors for a stretch, people would start to get pissed off at each other and start stabbing and shooting.
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    Ok. How about extreme weather? I’ve lived in Texas so I know the summer months could be as unbearable as the winter months in Chicagoland (or Omaha).

    And, really … only July and August are bad. In the north, you’ve got 4 months of unbearable weather. And only like 2 months that are good for just being out and about.
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    Yes, kind of the same for extended rainy periods.
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    it's less than 200 words, and half of them are bullet points.

    I'm not sure about the weather/climate being a reducer of crime so much as changing the nature of it. Higher concentrations of violent and property crime happen in smaller northern cities here. (They don't report as significant of drug problems in part because they don't really treat them-generally by sending them here.)

    Makes sense because where you have great wealth inequity you inevitably have crime. That goes back to the dawn of the industrial age/modern capitalism and the first really great urban migrations that defined the "working class"-and a really long tangent about regency era civics/economics in europe.
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    Murder capital of Canada is fucking Thunder Bay... pretty sure they lead the league in DV as well.
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    I would have figured Yellowknife, Whitehorse or Dawson Creek
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    they don't even make the per 100K list.
    although not sure there's 100K people in those three combined?
    WTF is going on with Edmonton? its the only place over a half million to make the top ten.
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