It's HIGH TIME the 2nd Amendment was REPEALED. Sorry Gunforge ,your guns must be TAKEN AWAY from you

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  1. Will Power

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    IF it were SOLELY up to me & ONLY ME I'd COMPLETELY REPEAL the 2ND AMENDMENT in a heartbeat.
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  2. Uncle Albert

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    People like you are the reason individual rights should never be subject to popular approval.
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    like abortion and gay marriage.
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  4. Uncle Albert

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    Absolutely.
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  5. Nova

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    not getting into this issue here except for this obvious drive-by:
    1. Repealing an amendment is functionally impossible without a convention.
    2. A repeal isn't necessary, simply a return to reading in the way that basically all legal scholarship read it up until about 40-45 years ago. Hell, just go pre-Heller and we're a lot better off.
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  7. Spaceturkey

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    not when you have Doctor Rogan to give you what you want to hear!

    Why listen to experts when you can listen to people who make you feel like a rugged individual (TM)?
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  8. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    sigh... we've presented this a thousand times already, but here's a basic for the licensing. Most of you clowns would likely pass.


    Here's the basics of once you are licensed to own:



    Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms
    • 5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if
      • (a) it is unloaded;

      • (b) it is
        • (i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

        • (ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

        • (iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
      • (c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
    • (2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

    • (3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.
    Storage of Restricted Firearms
    6 An individual may store a restricted firearm only if

    • (a) it is unloaded;

    • (b) it is
      • (i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or

      • (ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
    • (c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
      • (i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or

      • (ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
    Storage of Prohibited Firearms
    7 An individual may store a prohibited firearm only if

    • (a) it is unloaded;

    • (b) it is
      • (i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, and, if the prohibited firearm is an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is stored, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or

      • (ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of prohibited firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
    • (c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
      • (i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or

      • (ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of prohibited firearms and that is kept securely locked.
    Display of Non-Restricted Firearms
    8 An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it

    • (a) is unloaded;

    • (b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

    • (c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
    Display of Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Firearms
    • 9 (1) An individual may display a restricted firearm or a prohibited firearm in a dwelling-house only if
      • (a) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is unloaded;

      • (b) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

      • (c) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is securely attached to a non-portable structure in such a manner that it cannot readily be removed;

      • (d) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it; and

      • (e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
    • (2) An individual may display a restricted firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if it
      • (a) is unloaded;

      • (b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

      • (c) is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the restricted firearm cannot readily be removed; and

      • (d) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
    • (3) An individual may display a prohibited firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if
      • (a) the prohibited firearm is unloaded;

      • (b) the prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

      • (c) the prohibited firearm is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the prohibited firearm cannot readily be removed;

      • (d) the prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

      • (e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
    • (4) Paragraphs (2)(c) and (3)(c) do not apply if the firearm is detached from the structure so that the firearm may be handled by a person under the direct and immediate supervision of the individual displaying it.
    Transportation of Non-Restricted Firearms
    • 10 (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if
      • (a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and

      • (b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.
    • (2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if
      • (a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and

      • (b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.
    • (3) If, in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting, an individual is transporting a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, and the vehicle or the part of it that contains the non-restricted firearm cannot be securely locked, the individual shall ensure that the non-restricted firearm
      • (a) is not visible; and

      • (b) is rendered inoperable by a secure locking device, unless the individual reasonably requires the non-restricted firearm for the control of predators.
    Transportation of Restricted Firearms
    11 An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

    • (a) it is unloaded;

    • (b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

    • (c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

    • (d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,
      • (i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

      • (ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
    Transportation of Prohibited Firearms
    12 An individual may transport a prohibited firearm only if

    • (a) it is unloaded;

    • (b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

    • (c) if it is an automatic firearm that has a bolt or bolt-carrier that is removable with reasonable facility, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed;

    • (d) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

    • (e) when it is in a container described in paragraph (d) that is in an unattended vehicle,
      • (i) if the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

      • (ii) if the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
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  9. We Are Borg

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    That's a lot of text for the simple answer:

    Repeal the second amendment.

    In any sane society, owning a firearm is not a "right".
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  10. Spaceturkey

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    Fed wanted details, but I also needed simplicity, so...


    But yeah... it's not really a right we need, now that the days of highwaymen are beyond memory.

    Not for nothing our highest rates of gun crime are where "the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts" is worth claiming.
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    EVERYTHING is a right for any individual who can exercise it without endangering others.
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    Allowing individuals to own an unlimited supply of guns and ammo endangers others.
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    False. There are people with large collections who never haver or will pose a threat to another person.
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    False. There are people with large collections who pose a threat simply by having large collections, which makes them targets for burglaries.

    P.S. :finger:
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    That's crap. Ignorant crap. Nobody but gun owners are accountable, and they just have to exist to be guilty. Blisteringly fucking stupid.

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    Gun owners seem to feel they need and get away with having special treatment - which is something you abhor. It's not stupid. Gun owners SHOULD be held accountable. and should be the FIRST in line to demand responsible people only have the ability to buy, own, and keep guns.
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    Being considered innocent until PROVEN guilty is NOT special goddamned treatment.
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    It's not that. It's the absolute ability to buy, own, and keep any amount of guns and ammo you like. Every. I mean EVERY other dangerous substance is well regulated - except guns. That is special treatment.
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    They aren't a danger sitting in a damn cabinet somewhere. Not without human intervention. Focus on the thieving shitbags if you're worried about theft.
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    Neither is uranium.
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    Maybe if it's in a special lead container and didn't contaminate anything in transit. That's a strained comparison on par with the "same as nukes!" pigfuckery.
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    It's the same as EVERYTHING else that is dangerous. Uranium is just the first thing that popped in my head. Cars and licensing are regulated. Those are dangerous. THC is regulated. Hell, fertilizer is regulated.
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    Radioactive material is actively harmful just sitting there. This in no way compares to guns unless it's artillery with depleted uranium ammo or something.
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    So, let's go with fertilizer then. That's regulated. Most prescription medicines are regulated. Ephedra - which is a natural plant - is regulated.

    How is that different from guns?
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    your refusal/resistance to even the most basic preventative measures pretty much proves that you are incapable of exercising the privilege of firearms ownership (and likely a lot of other things)
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    Drugs harm you, and you have every right to defile yourself to death. Nobody else's problem unless they decide it is.

    Not sure what you mean about fertilizer. Unless you mean for making bombs.
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    I mean, there are regulations in the quantity and type of fertilizer you can buy. You don't know about it because it doesn't affect you. and guns do harm.
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    The preventative measure is to parent your fucking kids and leave shitbags in prison once they are caught. If you care about reducing violence, you shoud accept nothing less. But if you're willing to tolerate known violent people freely walking the streets, the needle on gun ownership will not move.
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