Late Term Abortion = Kill Newborns with Scissors

Yes. So do you. There is a lot of statistical data available to anyone who is willing to do a google search. Crime is higher in a poorer neighborhoods. This is no secret. There is a reason that more affluent parents more to nicer neighborhoods and make sure their kids go to better schools.

Higher poverty rate = higher crime rate
Lower education = more crime
Single parent homes = more likely to produce criminal children

edit: I misread your argument. Again though, yes there is statistical data out there that supports the arguement that more abortions tend to happen in the poorer communities.

Even if it were a 50/50 split between wealthy and poor on abortions, legalized abortion would still account for a drop in crime. Of the 50% on the poorer side the abortions would add up to lower crime. Technically speaking, all of the abortions would add into the crime figure, less kids in general will equal less crime. Lower populations have few crimes. The crime rate fall is based on a per capita number of crimes and it's drop coincides with the legalization of abortion. In fact states like New York and California which legalized abortion 3 years earlier saw their drop in crime occur 3 years earlier and states that took a while on legalization had their crime rate drop take an equal amount of time to begin dropping.

The numbers don't lie, legalized abortion lowers crime.

Do you have crime because of higher poverty?

Or do you have higher poverty because of crime?

Do the same character flaws that make people poor also tend to influence them toward crime?

For that matter, where is the evidence that the people who have most abortions are poor?

I'm familar with this.

I remember a study a decade or so ago (and I have no reason to believe that much has changed) in U.S. News & World Report that asked the question

"Who Gets Abortions?"

It isn't the young poor teenagers.

Statistically, women in their 20s from the next income level up are likelier to get abortions.

The information is out there.

And to quote what someone said

There is a lot of statistical data available to anyone who is willing to do a google search.

If you can't figure this one out there is no hope for you.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/US-Abortion-Patients.pdf
False.

Here are some percentages from 2008. More poor women, more single women, and black and hispanic women are over represented based on their percentage of the overall population.

You can argue with the numbers all you want but it doesn't change anything. Abortion lowers crime.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'll take it further and state that even late term abortions don't bother me a bit. Never has, but I have also never placed much value on human life, in any capacity except my own, family, and friends. But humanity in the abstract? Couldn't care less.

Somewhat off topic, but astronauts are tissue, too. And unless some theory or another about some "spiritual" part of human beings is correct, astronauts are nothing but tissue.

Kleenix brand or store brand?

Vell said.

Ze total und final solution to ze crime is to kill all people.

Aber, failing zat, ve should kill all poor people.

Oder, failing zat, ve should continue to abort ze children of ze poor people.

Just kidding.

(Or am I?)

This guy delivered viable babies and then murdered them on the table. That's nothing short of despicable.

But what gets me is the number of people who would be okay with this if only he had followed "the official procedure" -- piercing the skull and sucking the brains out while the head is still inside the womb. That, in contrast, is still legal in many places.

It's criminally stupid to defend either procedure.

And, in fact, I think this ought to be the new procedure. No more concealing it by killing babies inside the mother, and out of sight. Besides, delivering a baby is far safer for a mother than going inside her uterus with sharps.

If late term abortion is to be protected, then let's be honest about it: Let's put that sucker on the table, and videotape the pithing to document that proper procedure was followed. Let's make that the way it's done.

Because if you can somehow believe that one way is acceptable but not the other, then you're just rationalizing an atrocity. You might as well be a fucking Nazi ordering Jews to "the showers."

Babies after 26 weeks can survive with support outside the womb. First trimester can be debated with a degree of reason. Late term is murder plain and simple.

I support abortion because studies show that liberals use it more frequently then conservatives. Liberals killing their descendants is a good thing for society. Means there is less of them running about and mucking things up.

Three "pleases?" Alright then ...

Philosophically speaking, many of the arguments for abortion also justify infanticide.

I know you're talking tongue in cheek, but what you're saying is true Clyde.

Astronauts fix the Hubble.
Get a fetus to do that, and you'll have a case.

8 days later, he shot a doctor....

Again, you say something with holes all over it.

A six year old can't fix the shuttle. An 18 year old wouldn't be allowed to fix the shuttle.

What would be wrong with that? Would it be okay if it happened while he was poising his scissors behind a little baby's neck?

Just so we're clear, once a viable baby's been delivered there's no legal difference between pithing it and killing the mother.

And the only thing you libs need to understand is that there's no moral difference either, and that the equivalency extends into the womb as well.

Murder is murder, and PC talk -- using words like "tissue" -- is nothing but intellectual dishonesty; mere rationalization to legitimize murder.

Indeed. Even if it occurs due to neglect, starvation, or being born with a drug addiction.

Methinks you're too far gone for it to register, Jared.

No, those other things you're talking about would be "death." :\

You are always whining that people read into your posts what you didn't say, but you are doing the same thing. Nowhere did I make the argument that a fetus is equivalent to an astronaut. If that argument was made, it was in your own mind, and I am hardly responsible for what goes through your mind.

OTOH, the argument I did make was that astronauts are also tissue and, according to some philosophies, nothing but tissue. The point was to demonstrate that, whatever valid arguments there may be for abortion, "it is just tissue" is not one of them.

Are you going to try to refute that argument, by claiming that a human being is more than the tissue that makes up his body? What else is there?

In an astronaut?
Tang.

How do you figure?
I'm saying Tang makes an astronaut superior to a fetus.
Now go lick the third rail of a subway to see if your tongue sticks.
I triple dog dare you.

I have a theory about why Dickynoo would be in favor of abortion.

CNN has been RIDICULOUS in their coverage of this.

The same people blaming the tea partiers for the shooting in AZ right away wouldn't let the Prosecutor make statements on the show about what this doctor did.

They would say, "Whoa. You mean what he allegedly did." The prosecutor would reply "No, we have the physical evidence proving what he did, and this is what was presented to the grand jury."

At least CNN is smart enough to admit that this doesn't sound good.

so sad. i am pro-choice, but late term abortions are pretty horrific. i wonder what would make someone wait so long to do it? even putting aside any emotional bond or empathy, it can't be comfortable. why would anyone go through that many months of pregnancy just to abort once it's almost over? the fact that these babies were actually viable outside the womb just makes it worse. i'm officially depressed.

Sorry, always wanted an excuse to use that smiley.

That aside, totally agree. It doesn't take someone till the sixth, seventh or eighth month of pregnancy to discover they can't afford or don't want to keep their child.