Latest experiment is socialism ending the same as always...

Yes, obviously that's the most salient difference. Cold weather stimulates the "make enormous medical advances" part of the brain. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with health care systems.

I was thinking to comparisons made about the rates of violent crimes in the U.S. versus those in other countries. Almost all the first world countries the U.S. is unfavorably compared to from Japan to Canada to various European nations are noticeably cooler than the United States. And it has been a given for years that violent crimes tend to be more prevalent when the temperatures are higher.

Naturally, violent crime rates impact overall lifespans and quality of life issues as well.

Posted in the meme thread, but also fits here.

I seem to recall reading in a book that theory being used to prevent democratic reform in southern europe during the 19th century.

So you're trying to find an alternate theory in a hypothesis that was discarded or made moot by 1850.

I've heard nothing about the relationship between violent crime and temperatures being debunked.

There are a bunch of sources that suggest this is a fact.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0j0i10j33i22i29i30j0i13i30j33i160.hhM8vdNsb4U

did you actually read any of those or are you basing your claim simply on being able to find it as a search term?

I read two of them.

Prove it!
which two?

The Science Daily one and the Chicago Tribune one.

that's not proof.
until you quote the salient points in both, you get no more responses.

There are a bunch of sources that suggest the moon landing was fake and vaccines cause autism. What you have not heard of in your hick life in the middle of Arkansas as a substitute teacher who is too pathetic to get a regular teaching job is pretty much most of the factual knowledge of human existence. Hell, you cannot even read your fictional bible stories and remember them properly.

Hi @Dayton3 I see you "disagree" with that image. If the Australian Bureau of Meteorology is putting out false information that is definitely concerning. Can you clarify which aspect of it you disagree with?

Should we permaban bailey?

Probably.

If one rejects the idea that serving in the military gives a person any extra insight into war, then I guess it also stands to reason that being a meteorologist doesn't give a person any special insight into the weather. Similarly, we can't presume that you know anything about how hot it is in Australia just because you happen to live there.

Watch Maduro's thugs run over peaceful protesters with military vehicles was disappointing though predictable. I also noticed the dictator immediately shut down both CNN and BBC becauee it didn't want people to know what was going on.

Are you really this braindead?

Put up or shut up.

Can you quantify the deaths caused by economic systems?

I'd quite like gross and net figures if you can once "lives saved" are taken into account too.

That would be great, thanks.

Until you can do that, which you can't, you have nothing but hot air and repetition. A bit like a baby with wind.

Australia is an exception. In general, violent crimes are fewer if the area is cooler. Note it is only one factor. But it is a factor.

That's a breathtaking claim. In order for it to be considered a factor, you must either have a complete overview of all factors, or an environment in which you can equalize other factors. How do you do that?

He's like Dayton, just not as clever

Looking at the numbers here, It seems there is nowhere in southern europe with an intentional homicide rate even close to the US.

Likewise, only one northern African country has a comparative per capita-Sudan

At the risk of upsetting the apple cart here, he's not entirely wrong. There is some evidence that an increase in temperature does in fact at least correlate with violent crime, but not with non violent crime.

It's not a clear cut situation by any stretch of the imagination. Correlation=/=causation and the pattern is actually somewhat more complicated than a linear relationship. There are studies which show no link at all but one which interests me in particular is this one which highlighted socio economic conditions as being a confounding variable. In particular they found that deprived areas do indeed experience more violent crime in summer than winter, but the trend is reversed in affluent neighbourhoods which experience less.

More recent work has also shown a link between temperature and sexual assaults, not to mention crime in general, but interestingly also a link between rainfall and crime.

So how can we explain this? One simple factor is exposure, deprived neighbourhoods are by and large densely populated meaning in warm weather people tend to go outdoors and thus have more contact with each other leading to a natural increase in human interactions of all kinds including aggressive ones. Affluent areas, on the other hand, tend to be sparsely populated and thus going outdoors is likely to actually reduce your human contact compared to being in a family home, pub/bar, wherever.

Interestingly that fits with a comprehensive geographic study carried out in the US which found an even greater link during the winter months, with FBI and climate data aggregated from every major population centre since 1979.

This all fits with both the earlier model of increased interaction and the temperature-aggression model which links aggression to physiological arousal and stress, but the former sits better for me given the stronger link in winter where we wouldn't really expect much heat related stress. However, there's a complication. There seems to be a possible neurophysiological driver, with higher body temperatures driving up serotonin levels which in turn are a known factor in aggressive and impulsive behaviour.

So there's some evidence of a seasonal link between temperatures and violence, plus some to indicate ambient temperatures within seasons do in fact explain a lot of the variance in crime statistics. There's also a couple of possible psychosocial and biological models that fit with this, or at least the groundwork for models.

What I'm not aware of (must do some reading) is a clear cut geographical pattern.

I know that some will bitch and moan about this but the thing that they have in common with us is a high number of African-Americans.

Amazing, well-researched post, thank you. As you point out in the last line, the cited studies mostly equalize other factors by sticking to one place; i.e., they compare crime rates on hot versus cold days in the same city, not hot versus cold cities. It's not obvious to me that the one observation should translate to the other.

Who?

Sudan of course.

Thanks for illustrating how true this meme is.

So, again, can you quantify your assertion?