Leftforge Doesn't Understand the Second Amendment...

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  1. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Don't forget, it was also called out to enforce federal tax laws.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I've posted this in the past. It was last amended in the 1950s.

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  3. gturner

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    Just about every male in my state is in a militia. If you've been here two weeks, you're in. We used to be organized into proper regiments, and my college friend's father was the commander of what I think was the 78th regiment before we gave up on assigning everybody to a particular numbered unit. A big part of his oath of office was that he was to command the county militia, and also that he had never participated in a duel. He was judge executive, an elected position, which is the militia commander in all counties that don't have a combined urban-county government, where the mayor has been placed in charge of the militia.

    Oddly, among the emergency powers they may direct, they can seize any fuel, food, shelter, vehicles, or anything else needed for an emergency (with compensation of course) except any arms, ammunition, or parts of arms. In an emergency those are completely off limits, as the people need them.

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    KRS 39A.100 Emergency powers of Governor and local chief executive officers.

    (1) In the event of the occurrence or threatened or impending occurrence of any of the situations or events contemplated by KRS 39A.010, 39A.020, or 39A.030, the Governor may declare, in writing, that a state of emergency exists. The Governor shall have and may exercise the following emergency powers during the period in which the state of emergency exists:

    (a) To enforce all laws, and administrative regulations relating to disaster and emergency response and to assume direct operational control of all disaster and emergency response forces and activities in the Commonwealth;

    (b) To require state agencies and to request local governments, local agencies, and special districts to respond to the emergency or disaster in the manner directed;

    (c) To seize, take, or condemn property, excluding firearms and ammunition, components of firearms and ammunition, or a combination thereof, for the protection of the public or at the request of the President, the Armed Forces, or the Federal Emergency Management Agency of the United States, including:

    1. All means of transportation and communication;
    2. All stocks of fuel of whatever nature;
    3. Food, clothing, equipment, materials, medicines, and all supplies; and
    4. Facilities, including buildings and plants;

    (d) To sell, lend, give, or distribute any of the property under paragraph (c) of this subsection among the inhabitants of the Commonwealth and to account to the State Treasurer for any funds received for the property;

    (e) To make compensation for the property seized, taken, or condemned under paragraph (c) of this subsection;

    (f) To exclude all nonessential, unauthorized, disruptive, or otherwise uncooperative personnel from the scene of the emergency, and to command those persons or groups assembled at the scene to disperse. A person who refuses to leave an area in which a written order of evacuation has been issued in accordance with a written declaration of emergency or a disaster may be forcibly removed to a place of safety or shelter, or may, if this is resisted, be arrested by a peace officer. Forcible removal or arrest shall not be exercised as options until all reasonable efforts for voluntary compliance have been exhausted;

    (g) To declare curfews and establish their limits;

    (h) To prohibit or limit the sale or consumption of goods, excluding firearms and ammunition, components of firearms and ammunition, or a combination thereof, or commodities for the duration of the emergency;

    (i) To grant emergency authority to pharmacists pursuant to KRS 315.500, for the duration of the emergency;
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  4. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about, but I'm done talking to you about it. You obviously just want to troll this thread and fill it with nonsense.
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yeah, English as a First Language can be challenging. Small wonder you lot are so scared of immigrants.
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  6. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Sorry dude, it's the thread topic.
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  7. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    You are a complete moron if you think that the reason militias were created was to defend against slave uprising. This thread and your post alone shows how necessary this thread is in education moronic ignorant liberals. It's also proof of just how fucked we all really are. The populaces ignorance, thanks to liberal education, has become so ignorant on the history and founding of this country, it's going to take a freaking miracle to turn it around. If that's even remotely possible.
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  8. gturner

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    Those immigrants are in my state militia and they don't even know we have one. :storm:

    If the shit hits the fan, boy are they going to be surprised - that they get paid by the state to shoot white people! :salute:

    Interestingly, in the run up to WW-II there was a lot of legal debate about the Constitutional basis for a federal draft, since it was thought that a volunteer force couldn't possibly compare to the size of the draft armies the Europeans could field. The Constitution may ensure the right to bear arms and require state militias, but by tradition a militia could not be fielded outside the nation's borders (otherwise they'd be called "the Army"). But although the Constitution creates a national army and requires Congress to fund and oversee it, it doesn't anywhere say that a person can be compelled to join it. So they had to do a lot of round-about legal arguments that since the males were in the militia, and the militia could be called up by the governors, which could use the units for federal service, then that same pool of members could be called up directly by the federal government. I'm not sure any of the reasoning would have passed muster before the Supreme Court.
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  10. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    That boy really needs some grammar lessons.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  12. gturner

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    Yeah, the Founding Fathers warned about the Army wanting to disarm the citizens.
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  14. Dayton Kitchens

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    Isn't that Garamet?

    I google imaged her real name and that was the first one that popped up?
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    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    Going back to my post above, a few years before the Second Amendment was written "well-regulated" most certainly didn't mean "well-equipped," as the Articles of Confederation had to specify that state militias should be both.
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  16. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Now @Tererun will provide proof that militias were created to suppress slave uprisings and @gul will provide proof that they were created to enforce tax collection.
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  18. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment
    From: Brian T. Halonen <halonen@csd.uwm.edu>
    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulatedAppetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
    http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
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  19. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Jesus if there were an award for "cherry picking" you would clean up, no doubt. These men do not represent the average gun owner and user.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    It wouldn't bother me, I'd take to that shit like a duck to water. How about yourself? Are you a good example of the folks in your area who fought the Revolution back in the day? If so, that's great.
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    I don't know about that. I know a lot of gun people, and an awful lot of 'em look just like those guys, save the ones I know are a little grayer, and tend to be a bit more beardy.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Jesus you need to get out more. Or come on down to Georgia and let me take you to the gun range where I shoot occasionally. Or even to the places I hunt - there isn't one guy that fat.
  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Because you're just as fat? Not surprising.
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  24. Ten Lubak

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    That doesn't fit her fucked up, dishonest narrative though. :shrug:
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  25. Chardman

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    I get out plenty. And get to the range LINK at least once a month. And while the guys in Garamet's pic aren't typical of the clientel at Don's, they aren't at all rare either.
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  26. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Your reading comprehension is weak. I said that the militia is used for that. That doesn't mean it was created for just that single reason. Anyway, here's your proof:

    Whiskey Rebellion

    I thought you were a self-styled historian. How do you not know that Washington used the militia to put down a tax revolt?
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  27. Chardman

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    Perhaps he was one of Dayton's students?
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  28. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Why have we never seen a photo of that vastly successful global entrepreneur Photoshop genius @Ten Lubak? :chris:

    Gotta laugh when he plays "mine's bigger than yours" with TLS, though...
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  29. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Looks like this gun guy takes the stairs at work. :wub:

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  30. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    AHA! There's your problem - Indianapolis doesn't have a big military population. Augusta has a HUGE military population for it's size. Thus many of the folks where I shoot (and hunt) are in the military, ex military, retired military, etc. You just don't run into that many fatties. As for militia type? Generally civilians who could never be in the real military so are living out their midlife crisis. Us folks who were in it just figure our kids (also military) can handle things just fine. We tend to point and laugh at survivalists and supremesists and other similar types.