libertarians don't expect to make great contributions to society which is why they do not want regs

Functional junkie is also a thing. I would not advise being on heroin, but if you can get the pure and regulated shit while continuing to do an appropriate job you can be easily functional. The production of heroin can be cheep and made pretty safe for an addict. The expenses and dangers to it for a long time user familiar with their dosage are pretty nominal when it is not illegal. it is easier to produce than ibuprophen in a proper legal lab. You can remove the cheap ass impurities because a lab can get the proper re-agents and not have to substitute dangerous ones that are easier to obtain. clean works are cheap also, and there is less need to share or use old ones when you can go to a pharmacy and get 100 new ones for less than thirty dollars. They give them out for free to poor diabetics.

A junkie could do a number of jobs, some on a professional level. I would not want them driving a car or operating heavy machinery, but they could code, answer the phone, do basic office work, and many other things. Hell, they would better managers sthan many of the sober fellows I have seen manage. Oh, and make some fucking kick ass entertainment including music. I do not necessarily want KR addicted to heroin if he does not want to be, but FFS I cannot deny large amounts of the music I love has come from him and his drug use. Music may be an optional thing to basic survival, but we do not live in that world, and life would have been a lot worse without the music he made while high, so I am not going to insult the man.

BTW UA should not be bitching either. If we asked the world who was more fucking useless and less needed for things, everyone but @Jenee would kick him off the planet before KR. Even the boy would not lose the stones for Albert. This is just a reality check because I am pretty sure even my mom would have to think a moment about me over The Rolling Stones, and she was more a Beatles fan.

 

Sweet. Mother. Of. Fuck.

That's a candidate for the single worst argument that I've ever seen on Wordforge. And the competition is strong.

 

It is good, but it is not Dayton or the boy good.

 

I presumed heroin to be at or near the top of the "difficulty" list.

 

Because I'm just too lazy and unambitious, I guess.

 

It's healthier than settling the lowest possible expectations for everyone.

 

It isn't remotely healthy to be so stupid. You should do something about that.

 

You know where I have an interesting question. UA is a welder. I will assume for the moment he has a decent work ethic and produces for someone else's business a product that is needed within the community. I may not like UA, but I do not have to. I think he deserves the basics for survival, and entertainment options that better his life. I do not think he should be the bare minimum getting by even if he is stupid and trying his best at a job he does not do well.

This is why I am a hybrid socialist capitalist. I think as a partcipant in the community he should have his food needs taken care of, with an enjoyment factor of some tasty treats, good cuts of meat, having things made for him, and being able to get that all around where he travels and works. I think he should have a home with a decent bathroom and kitchen, along with a computer, pad, television, Cable with some choices, internet electricity, and even transportation to work via his own car or public transport. He should be entitled to a good bit of vacation time, the ability to get gifts for others even if they might not be working, and he should have access to education that he can learn, roads, water, and probably some other things I am forgetting.

If he wants more luxurious stuff he should be able to chose paths towards things that will improve his life and by maintaining his participation work towards bigger and more luxurious choices he enjoys for himself, or perhaps to give to another. If he does some amazing thing that everyone gets benefit of, then we give him a whole bunch of access to luxury levels of things.

I do not think Uncle albert should suffer at the bottom of the have not scarcity area simply because he welds. That is as a person who does not care for him and has their own decent amount of lounge around funding. Here is the difference between UA types and myself. I don't think abuse of a person makes them a better person. UA thinks you need to suffer in poverty to be a good person, and that simply does not hold true. Suffering does not make moral, ethical, or hard working people. That is one of the fantasies that libertarians and others believe.

What I have seen is that when a society treats certain types of people like shit, those people who are treated like shit mostly do not respect or want to be a part of that society. Some people say Black americans have no respect for their community. They all have respect for what they think is their society, but a lot do not have respect for what they think is white people's society. Why would they? I know it is not my fault the world has kicked the crap out of black people, but I would have malice towards the world had I been constantly fucked with by the white community around me. Every part of their shit would be tainted with how I was treated. You cannot take that shit back, and it takes a hell of a lot to overcome that. It never washes away even though UA thinks everyone should be treated as if nothing ever happened before that. That is the real form of Karma. You may not have even made that carma through your choices, but you might have been born into it.

Life is no fair, suck it up. The reality is we can be better people. That does noit mean we will automatically get better things, but that karma gets altered. That karma is the society and community we live in. It is our environment. We can make that better through our actions. That will not take away negative things but it will improve the status for everyone.

So my question is why the fuck is someone so supposedly noble and ethical like UA not understand any of this shit? The answer is probably because his nobility, morality, hard work, and ethics are all a load of bullshit and he knows it.

 

Infantilizing everyone has been far worse than me expecting you to have willpower.

 

which finally brings us back to the "superior morality" argument.

It ain't shifty when we're using the correct language spectrum.

heh-not even close these days. although a lot of that rests on availability... there isn't really a supply of traditional brown powder smack available to the masses anymore. You will find a lot of folks addicted to oxy, dilaudid, vicodin, etc... and then the prescription runs out so they turn to alternative means to get it. Of course, the unregulated supply gets cut with benzos and fent and a host of other shit...

also, again, 80-something year old Keef being clean for a while does nothing to support your "triumph of the will" perspective unless you're going to repeatedly provide recovery conditions like what's available to him and ignore the dozens of times he's had the best treatment options yet still relapsed.

 

that does bring up the factor of diversion as well.
Like, I wonder what Keef is using in place of smack?

does it count as "cured" if he's knocking down an ounce of kratom in his cuppa tea every day?

 

My dad said shit like that all the time. If my dad didn't respect someone, nothing less than absolute perfection could make up for it.

If someone pointed out that his expectations were unreasonable, one of his go-to responses was "Well, I guess I should just believe the extreme opposite then! Like that will work..." Kind of like:

Sometimes, when his own "logic" is used against him, he'd be all "Well, I guess I'm just a complete fucking moron then." Sometimes to be dismissive, or if he's really worked up, hoping the other person will feel bad and stop arguing with him so he can declare himself the winner. Kind of like:

I would say we might need an exorcist, but UA was like this long before my dad died.

 

80's cartoon theme song singers- 80's flaaashbaaaack!!!

Some other 80's cartoon theme song singers- Yooo Ay!! And his "just say no" adventuuuuures!

Spaceturkey- (As his younger punk self) Nyaah hah ha haaa! Druuuugs!!! *Pours glowing bubbling shit back and forth between two beakers*

UA- Stop!! You evil fiiiieeend!!!

Spaceturkey- Take this, you Randian do-gooder you!! *Throws heroin needles like darts*

*The heroin thunks into UA's chest like a wooden cutting board*

UA- Got to...fight it....with the power...of mind over matter.....

Theme song singers- Yoo ay!! Yoo ay!! Yoo ay!!

Keith Richards- (As an astral projection in UA's head) Stay strong mate!!! You can do it!!

UA- I...know....I can...

*The heroin needles pop out of his chest, and the junk squeezes out of the holes like they're urethras*

Theme song singers- Yoooo ayyy-ay-ay-ayy-aaayy!!!

UA-

Spaceturkey- Curse you, UA!!! You've beaten my glorious smack!! But I'll get you next time!! *Hops into an elevator that turns into a rocket escape pod*

Ronald Reagan- Wheeeeelll!! That was some good all-American morals, kiddies!

Nancy Reagan- *Sucking Frank Sinatra off in the background*

 

over dubbed anime or a weekend project from filmation?

 

I'm thinking the latter.

 

ooh... can I be an animal mutant, like Shredder's minions?

 

Lmao, UA fell into this trap of a thread so badly that he keeps bootstrapping himself back into the trap.

 

I don’t believe the evidence supports that. Heroin addiction is famous for dropping away with forced changes in setting, notably addicts in the Vietnam War losing that addiction very quickly on returning home.

 

So I should have set my little GI Joe cartoon in 'Nam.

Fucked up fact: The comic book backstory for Cobra Commander is he's a Vietnam protestor who mutated into Jim Jones, then into Bin Laden, then into Putin.

Liberal media tho!

 

'member when Rambo played dead goat polo with a young Osama Bin Laden and those heroic Afganistan freedom fighters. Peperidge farm remembers.

 

yeah... you're kinda both right.
heroin is REALLY addictive physically and mentally, and the withdrawal is ugly as fuck. But it is manageable as mentioned with the 'nam vets example... back then I think methadone/outpatient was the basic treatment.

unfortunately that created methadone addiction as a thing...

also worth noting is the harm reduction offered by needle exchanges/supervised consumption facilities in the form of providing fresh supplies. It costs about 25 cents for a new syringe, and next to nothing for us to dispose of them safely (sealed containers that are incinerated as medical waste). Compare that to the cost of treating abscessed limbs...