Machine gun attack on Paris magazine office

I'm real.
So, I can speak up, and say "nope, I had nothing to do with it.
Also, I didn't write a manual for totalitarianism like Muhammad and the anonymous Biblical prophets.

As a whitey, you're totally to blame. I'm not, for... reasons.

Link to my defense please?

LIAR!!! We all know "Harry Hembock" is your evil manifesto for world domination.

Murdering doctors and desecrating military funerals is copacetic though, right?

Harry Hembock? Not exactly...

Me, too, because from what I've seen, generally this is what happens. The main difference is that most Christians will stick up for their religion by denouncing such action.

For what it's worth there was a very high ranking Imam in France condemning what happened today

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Obviously you'd like to see more than words but there does seem to actually be people out there that wrongly believe high ranking muzzies are keeping mum on the subject of the rampant and deplorable extremism within their religion.

I like Islam even less than I like Christianity, but I've grown up around it, and non-radical, secular Islam is no more of a threat than are the Christians, where both are held in check by a secularized society and mindset.

Yes.

Yes he's confused or yes we blame christianity?

Both.

Not remotely. There are different standards of conduct between the two religions, which is why there are two different, each accurate, appraisals of the two religions.

Do tell.

The difference between Muslim and Christian evil actions is several hundred years of the latter having enough civilisation beat into them to mostly lay the fuck off it.

You don't get many church goers going weak at the knees over the re-establishment of the Holy Roman Empire, like a chunk of Muslims do about the Caliphate.

You don't get the left cooing over the Christians, despite the fact we (as a society) tend to merrily mock their homophobic attitudes whilst treading carefully around Islamic ones.

It's like the paid-up members of the Israel Can Do No Wrong brigade on the right. Both sides start of reasonable enough, and then things start looking a little paper-thin.

And of course the irony is Islam is a fucking hotbed of everything the left has denounced for the last century, and consists of some of the most conservative people out there, it's pretty much a doctrine of anti-progessiveness.

Something of which may be responsible for todays attack as Charlie Hebdo apparently featured Houellebecq's new book, which portrays a future France where they've submitted to Islam via politics (to avoid Front Nationale getting in) and pretty much paints the anti-progressiveness (women taken out of the workforce, polygamy but not polyandry) that could be possible.

When the Muslims are treated as contemptuously and mockingly as Christians are, and are restricted to bitching on online forums and the occasional psycho-nutter, I'll feel a lot better about the religion.

Well said, ecky. Well said.

People need to stop pussy-footing around Islam and treat it with the same contempt as they do Christianity and Judaism.

Berlin's daily newspaper BZ tomorrow.

Apparently there's been a leak from the police that the attack was the work of "Al Qaeda in Yemen".

We should mock fools and idiots. Not all Christians or Moslems belong to that group. Your statement seems to imply two possibilities:

1. All Moslems are terrorists, therefore not condemning all Moslems means we do not condemn terrorism.
2. Mocking a Christian homophobe means we spit in the eye of all Christians.

I reject both notions.

I say it yet again, if religion were all hugs, and kittens, and gummy bears, and campfire songs, I would still rip into it for not being true.
That matters.
I won't be dragged into some post-modernist bullshit of "but what IS truth?".
Fuck you, religion's fake, and fuck you again.
Now add back on that religionists kill, and suppress, and swindle, and bully, that just makes my job easier.

"Oh, they're not ALL terrorists, and homophobes, and molesters".

Don't care. Doesn't matter.
The maniacs are just gravy on top of the bullshit mashed potatoes.

Eh? Does nothing of the sort. I'll assume you're not having a moment of that most traditional of WFisms, shit-stirring.

My statement implies we don't mock both religions equally, it makes no actual statements why, but heavily implies it's down to a left-leaning love-in with Islam, although there is certainly a fear element attached.

It also doesn't imply they're fools and idiots, just that their beliefs are ripe for mocking, just as any ideology is and should be.

If you disagree with those notions, go sit with the grouped marked 'Po-Face Totalitarians'.

They're easy to find, they're ones people are pointing and laughing at.

Cartoonists React to the Charlie Hebdo Shooting

It's simple:

1. In a free society, people must be able to express themselves, even if other people are insulted, offended, or outraged.

2. In a free society, people must also be mature enough to know that being insulted, offended, or outraged does not entitle one to silence others through violence or intimidation.

If you cannot meet the requirements of #2, you are a problem that the rest of us will solve. One way or another.

I'm now obliged to propagate the pictures that the terrorists would find offensive. Yes, this will undoubtedly offend peaceful, moderate Muslims. Sorry, but see rule #2.

Left alone, I choose to be polite. Ordered or intimidated to be polite, it becomes obligatory to be impolite to demonstrate that the order or intimidation has no effectiveness.

Looks like we got suspects.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...newspaper-shooting-20150107-story.html#page=1

Oh and @gul , there is one other possible thing to infer from it that is highly arguable - that maybe Islam needs civilisation hammering into it quickly.

I'm not saying outright it does, but we need to find some way to come to an accommodation where they can observe their religion, whilst appreciating the ability of those of who don't to mock it. I've encountered a number of Muslims who do not agree with violence, but will go nutso at anything that challenges their religion or disrespects it. Like watching Dr Jekyll go all Mr Hyde.

We need to bust that mentality, so instead of going berserk they can simply smile and tell us to go fuck ourselves.

So, are you arguing that we don't point and laugh, or that we do? No shit stirring, but you've made a claim I consider inaccurate, which is that leftists ignore perversions of Islam. The reality is far from it, more accurately stated that rightists ignore that most Moslems ar jot terrorist fanatics.

Time to drag out this Onion cartoon?

Edit by Bick for timely yet NSFW pic.

The left do tend to turn a blind-eye to it - no argument that the right knee-jerks that all Muslims === Terrorists, but the left are very much the flip-side of that, certainly in Europe.

It's one religion we go out of our way to be respectful towards and don't challenge much in order to show we're understanding and enlightened, yet it is very much a religion that needs to be challenged in order to drag it into the 21st century.

It's further complicated (certainly in the UK) by cultural crossovers with east asians, where we accommodate opinions and actions (e.g. arranged marriage) we generally would frown upon.

The US may be different, but given how Family Guy was forced to edit itself out of fear of offence, perhaps not that much.

Here is a piece of "art" I've always found irritating and purposely offensive. I'm not that religious, but I grew up in a religious family and I still have some kind of faith. This picture is a crucifix in a jar of piss. I've hated since I first saw it and guess what, I didn't kill anyone over it.

I have to agree with Paladin, we should fill this thread up with cartoons of Muhammad.

Looking over the some of the relevant documents on human rights, such as Charter of Paris convention of 1990, it seems cartoonists were left out.

... Determined to foster the rich contribution of national minorities to the life of our societies, we undertake further to improve their situation. We reaffirm our deep conviction that friendly relations among our peoples, as well as peace, justice, stability and democracy, require that the ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious identity of national minorities be protected and conditions for the promotion of that identity be created. We declare that questions related to national minorities can only be satisfactorily resolved in a democratic political framework. We further acknowledge that the rights of persons belonging to national minorities must be fully respected as part of universal human rights.

We express our determination to combat all forms of racial and ethnic hatred, antisemitism, xenophobia and discrimination against anyone as well as persecution on religious and ideological grounds.

Well, the cartoonists' form of discrimination was certainly "combatted".

You can see the crux of the disconnect reflected in the document, put together by the usual head-in-the-sand elites. "If we respect everybody, they'll all act like Amish or lapsed Catholics, and since they'll act like that, we can harmlessly poke fun at them..."