Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase 2 & 3 thread.

*Sigh*
I just want him in Infinity War.
Once he's in that, they can't undo it, and they can reboot all they want, and we can ignore their dopey reboot-verses.

I love Spider-Man and I've loved every film version, but I'm tired of the reboots. Put him to rest after this.

I have to wonder...is anybody outside of hardcore comics nerds really going to give two shits about Venom, Black Cat, or Silver Sable? I suppose any comics character could make for a good movie if done right, but these characters are pretty far out of the public consciousness.

Good point.

Silver Sable could make a pretty awesome TV show, tho.

Black Cat works perfectly opposite Peter. Without him, I'm not so sure; at the very least, it would mean massively reworking the character.

Venom is gold, especially the later Brock and even more the very recent Thompson version.

Which alienates the comics fans and is, at best, a gamble with general audiences.

Maybe so, but does Venom work at all without Spider-Man in the story? For someone who's never read Venom before?

Making a Venom film would be like making one about Robin or Lois Lane. Although those may be interesting characters, and good stories could be told about them, they're still essentially supporting characters whose real appeal is inextricably linked to the main character's world. If you do a Robin movie, yet don't connect it to Batman, then you can't do his origin and you're left with a big conundrum: how do you show Robin doing his crimefighting thing without Batman, without totally changing the Robin concept? You could fall back on the ol' "Bruce Wayne is out of town on business" gimmick, but that calls attention to the problem. Similarly, you could write a great story about a dogged reporter getting into dangerous situations, but why call her Lois Lane if there is no Superman in the story? The presence of Robin or Lois Lane promises Batman or Superman in the very concept, and so either the story is left with a big, awkward hole, or the characters have to be changed such that they're not really the same characters.

As a great example of a bad example, I give you Catwoman, which went the direction of altering the character. Quality issues with the movie aside, this was bound to satisfy no one. Certainly not comics fans who wanted Selina Kyle, and not general audiences who got a character who lacked the appeal of the comics version.

I suppose you could do Venom vs Carnage.

The same people who didn't give a damn about that stinker of a Blockbuster Dud, "Guardians of the Galaxy". What was Marvel thinking with that one?

This article talks about an easter egg in the recent Spider-Man trailer that most people probably didn't notice. Let's just say while they don't mention one possible meaning for it, I think that it's fairly obvious what the title of one of the upcoming Avengers will be, based on the easter egg. Read the article, and then check the spoiler box for what the title will probably be.

The difference is that you can go into GotG never having seen a Marvel film or read a comic, and the material works because GotG *are* the main characters of their story, and their story works all on its own. It doesn't rely on you knowing them from some other context.

Now, imagine making, say, a Nebula spin-off or a Denarian Dey spin-off. Are those characters interesting and compelling separated from the GotG context? I'd argue not really. It wouldn't be impossible to make a good film around them, but are these characters so fascinating to the casual moviegoer that the movie would attract them? I think not. Of all the things a studio could bankroll, would those be the ones most likely to find a mass audience? Doubtful.

People who read Spider-Man are apeshit about Venom. I get it. But Venom's whole existence is built upon being part of the Spider-Man universe. Venom can work in a Spider-Man movie, but in a standalone movie? It's bound to be awkward (because Spider-Man's not part of the story), confusing (why does Venom kinda look like Spider-Man?), or contorted (they divorce Venom completely from his Spider-Man-centric origin).

Not saying it's impossible, but it's just so that promoting secondary characters to standalone films seems like oversaturation to me.

Spider-Man was hardly in the Thompson Venom series, and the premise holds up fine in my eyes wthout him: crippled Iraq veteran becomes secret agent gifted by SHIELD with an alien symbiote that returns to him his legs, but only on missions; gives him lots of special powers, but while trying to take over his mind; against which he is well suited to defend himself because of his strong character, but ill suited as a recovering alcoholic who might become addicted to the experience. You can even leave in the hero worship towards Spider-Man without having the latter appear.

Just heard on Collider Heroes, that in "Homecoming", they're going to ret-con Spidey into the first Avengers in a flashback.
From the beginning, I jokingly said "where was Spider-Man during the Battle Of New York?", well, they're going to address it!

Thor Ragnarok trailer!!!!!



YES!!!!

Ragnarok may be everything i want. a goofy 80's action movie

He's a friend from work!

Holy SHIT does that look bad-ass! And . . . did I catch a glimpse of Skurge in there? Sure looked like it.

Holy shit!!!

Wait, is this payback from Loki when he got beat up by the Hulk in the Avengers Tower?

I'm like, "Teaser trailer? How good could it be?" I click the video, I'm like, "Okay, this could be interesting." Then the Led Zep hit, and I was all

Yeah, I've had little interest in this, I was going to see it, but I was in no real hurry. Now I can't wait, it looks so good.

You mean , Dr. Leonard "Bones" Skurge?

Shit! Yanno, I heard about Urban being in the movie and completely forgot about it.

The trailer is awesome... sounds and looks insane on my TV/Sound system.

Shameik Moore (never heard of him) is going to be the voice of Miles Morales in the animated Sony Spidey.

http://www.cbr.com/sony-animated-spider-man-miles-morales/

Guardians Vol 2 has 4 after credits scenes!
Also, early critics are loving it.

James Gunn says that for sure he's doing Guardians 3.

Early reviewers also said Rogue One was better than Empire.

Some early reviewers are stupid.

James Gunn updated that the theatrical release that we'll see has 5 stingers!

Nice.

The Guardians 2 track list!!

1. “Mr. Blue Sky,” Electric Light Orchestra

2. “Fox on the Run,” Sweet
(trailer-only song)

3. “Lake Shore Drive,” Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah

4. “The Chain,” Fleetwood Mac

5. “Bring it On Home to Me,” Sam Cooke

6. “Southern Nights,” Glen Campbell

7. “My Sweet Lord,” George Harrison

8. “Brandy You’re a Fine Girl,” Looking Glass

9. “Come a Little Bit Closer,” Jay and the Americans

10. “Wham Bang Shang-A-Lang,” Silver

11. “Surrender,” Cheap Trick

12. “Father and Son,” Yusuf / Cat Stevens

13. “Flashlight,” Parliament

14. “Guardians Inferno,” The Sneepers featuring David Hasselhoff
(an original track, co-written by Gunn and score composer Tyler Bates)

Hasselhoff!

Germans will love it at least

For those wondering about fitting Venom into the MCU, you forget that one other really popular (now) character that had the brain eating symbiote.....Deadpool.

Also Hulk in Ragnarok leaves him open to being in Guardians 2.