Lots of people, especially shitty clickbait producing pundits, love to forget that the MCU has produced many, many mediocre and disappointing movies from almost the very beginning, and every time it happened some idiots declared "superhero fatigue" or "comic book movies are dead." Thor 1. Thor 2. Ed Norton's Hulk. Iron Man 2. Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron. All disappointments compared to the best instalments. Yet somehow the entire genre didn't die.
Rumors- -Sony is allegedly looking to give Spidey-verse back to Marvel. -Kevin Feige allegedly wants Deadpool and Wolverine in Secret Wars. -Hugh Jackman when asked about the rumor said he'd only be in Secret Wars if he could interact with Toby McGuire and Robert Downy Junior. That last one's hard to hand-wave away as a pipe dream, given that Deadpool 1 exists because of Ryan Reynolds's willpower, and Deadpoool 3 exists because of Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman's willpower. They could make that shit happen.
> Sony is allegedly looking to give Spidey-verse back to Marvel. I would guess 100.1% of such rumors at any given time are wishful thinking. Doesn't make sense for Sony to give Spider-Man back unless they see something much bigger they want in exchange.
$$ The only money-making Spidey-verse stuff is Venom and the animated stuff. Everything else has been a box office bomb. Whereas the MCU has been pretty successful financially with the exception of the Marvels. Critically, only the animated Spider-verse movies are good, whereas the worst MCU offerings are generally better than the live action Spidey-Verse. If Sony can demand a big enough figure to sell the rights back, I imagine they'd do it, or even a bigger cut of the profits (though they might want to get a flat upfront fee to avoid Hollywood accounting shenanigans).
I won't deny that a fair amount of MCU offerings have been mid. But I do deny that after any of the movies that you named there were even semi-common complaints about superhero movie fatigue. I think that was a phenomenon that really only got invoked in the last couple years.
https://www.thefandomentals.com/superhero-fatigue/ 2017 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/warner-bros-ceo-dismisses-talk-779183/amp/ 2015 https://sundial.csun.edu/72758/arts...ro-fatigue-overplayed-heroics-lack-surprises/ 2013 https://them0vieblog.com/2011/05/23/all-this-flying-is-making-me-tired-superhero-fatigue/ 2011 Thor came out in 2011.
The key being semi-common. I'm sure that you could probably find one-of comments talking about how tired they were of superhero movies after the successes of Spider-Man and the early X-Men in the early 2000s, and possibly earlier. The fact remained that there were still comic book movies and shows that continued to perform well in 2011-2017. So even if random folks might complain "I'm tired of comic book movies" or muse about superhero fatigue, there wasn't really anything to support that it was the sentiment of anything more than a handful of individuals. 2022-2023 was the first time for quite some time with a string of movies and shows that underperformed, and thus gave some heft to the notion of superhero fatigue being real. When sequels to billion dollar movies like Aquaman and The Marvels are bombs, and there's like only two movies (Across the Spiderverse and GOTG 3 that can be said to have done well financially and critically), then there's a legit argument for the culprit being superhero fatigue (although I think that is silly -- it's just that all the movies that performed poorly financially except for the Marvels pretty much sucked.)
WAB will be gratified to hear Eternals 2 is being shelved for the time being. Ditto Ant-Man 4 and Marvels 3.
Oh, and Kevin Feige is supposedly open to Venom coming to the MCU to fight Tom Holland Spidey. Well...he ought to be, WTF were the after-credits for Venom 2 and NWH for but to set that up?
I haven’t seen the Venom movies, I know enough about them, but this version of Eddie Brock doesn’t seem like a good fit for the Hardy SM movies. Just my opinion.
Wonder Woman. Captain Marvel. Black Panther. All smashed it. Later problems seem to mostly be a problem with franchise fatigue, the introduction of increasingly obscure new characters, and dauntingly large amount of lore putting off viewers who haven't seen everything previous. Perhaps you can provide the examples from the last 12-24 months of what you would consider "non-woke" media to prove it has on average been more successful?
Teyonah Harris gives a great response to the whole "The Marvels" hoo-hah. https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-marvels-star-talks-films-failure/
Prediction: UA will never say "hey, that was pretty measured ". He'll find one quark out of place, and magnify it into a dinosaur asteroid.
I don’t think it’s franchise fatigue so much as formulaic and badly written movies combined with the push to crank out too much too fast.
Disney has made 25 billion off Marvel and Star Wars. https://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-made-25b-on-marvel-star-wars/
Eternals 2 is dead under that title, but it's "being transformed into something else". Probably how "Raganrok" is a backdoor Hulk 2, "Brave New World" is a backdoor Hulk 3, and the first third of "Love And Thunder" is a backdoor Guardians 2.5. They'll no doubt mashup the Eternals with some other character. Be good Guardians 4 and/or Thor 5 material. https://comicbookmovie.com/eternals...continues-creative-overhaul-a209917#gs.6hfvi9
You don't wanna see Harry Styles as Starfox running around fucking everybody with his sex-ray powers? Seriously, that's his power. They don't call it "sex-rays" but it totally is that.
I'd add Ant-Man 3 was not particularly "woke" compared to the first two, and did not go broke; it just underperformed. Nor the fact that non-woke superhero and other genre movies (unless you define the term "woke" to encompass virtually all movies) including Shazam 2 and Flash generally underperformed in 2023. Aquaman 1 took in a billion dollars. Aquaman 2, less than half-that.
I hope they combine Eternals and the Marvels into "Wokefest 2027" and it makes a billion dollars and CHUDs everywhere die mad.
I hope they combine Eternals and the Marvels into "Wokefest 2027" and it fails miserably and it pisses you and @Diacanu off so much that he gets a job and you blame it on Joe Biden.
