Military coup in Bolivia

It truly is amazing for all the bitching about Trump, they have no problem with someone trying to circumvent their laws to stay in power so long as that person is a socialist.

Not me, I'm asking for instances of public uprising to overthrow a government which didn't result in violence.

maybe not physically but Amaris thinks your mind is imprisoned because you haven't freed yourself from the bondage of worshipping right wing capitalism.
Oh and Amaris wants to know if you want fries with your burger/paper or plastic for your groceries.

I hear you! I firmly believe that in another half a millennium they will have all the bugs worked out!

If violence may be required to overthrow tyrannical government, you should insist on your right to keep and bear arms.

It works when the right people are in charge. That no-one in history to date has been the right person, well . . . details, details.

Bolivia is such a minor blip on the US radar it's pretty farcical to claim a US back coup is what did in Morales. This was the people of Bolivia saying enough is enough.

At the same time, Trump's claim we are movingly towards a completely democratic Western Hemisphere is also a farce.

I think Amaris has what it takes to get the US spinning swiftly down the toilet in one powerful flush! All the blocks are checked so far anyway.

Hayek had it right in The Road to Serfdom: in any collectivist regime (that is, one that is willing to subordinate individual freedom in the name of society as a whole), the people that rise to power will be those who most most fully embody that ethos.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. aren't anomalies. They're the inevitable products of the system.

And that's why there will never be "the right people." The right people would be purged before they got power.

It's not perfect, but it's worked for 200 plus years. So I can live with it.

Fries with the burger and plastic for the groceries. Though judging by his behavior I doubt he would last at any customer service related job.

Yeah, if you want iron-clad belief in the rightness of a system that has never once actually worked, or generated any result other than misery and tyranny, then Amaris and his unshakeable faith in an intellectually bankrupt socioeconomic system is your man!

Not at all, no arms were required in Bolivia after all despite gun controls having been passed. God help that poor woman if they were used.

What matters is that we are involved and active in our politics so events like this never have to happen in the first place. Avoid the situation which creates violence, not prepare for it by stockpiling an arsenal.

When you have an uprising violence will happen and if you support that uprising you're making a deal with the devil. It might be necessary at the time but there's rarely a lack of warning signs for those who pay attention.

The wise man does both.

"We don't need to prepare for that eventuality, we'll just make sure it doesn't happen."

Not necessarily a promise you can keep.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

No, I don't think so.

The wise man knows the latter is unnecessary and counterproductive.

We've enough political violence in our recent history to know where that mentality leads and I doubt very much you'd be quite so eager to see armed militias if you'd actually had dealings with the IRA.

One I believe is more feasible when you seek it out earnestly.

You CAN'T know what the future will hold. Good intentions are not sufficient.

Fine.

You just lose the "political violence is never justified", argument is all.
And so do Paladin and Ghostecho.

Not just for this thread, but forever until the universe fizzles out.

I care.
I just care more that Rightforge are hypocrites and frauds, because that's happening here.

Political violence is only justified if (1) rights are at stake and (2) there are no legitimate paths to address the issue.

In other words, the state must breach the social contract.

So, those Republicans who stalled the legislature by running away, and threatening to use racist militias as bodyguards were a bad thing?
And Marso polishing his doorknob to it was creepy and gross?
Quite an admission.
Took long enough.
Good to know.

I can see the campaign slogan now.......A CHILD IN EVERY CAGE!

When did I ever make the "political violence is never justified" argument?

Oh, I'm sorry, my brain fart, I don't remember you kissing Antifa on the mouth, but I guess you did.
Okay then.

I've never said it is never justified.

Clearly if someone is trying to make themselves into a dictator than it's justified.

If Trump tries to stay past a second term and become president for life political violence would be justified.

The problem is leftists such as yourself don't know when to apply political violence. Which is why you support groups like Antifa attacking people on the streets even though there is no justification other than "orange man bad and he makes me poop my pants in anger."

Then why is it so difficult to believe that something may have happened here? Surely you can at least see where something is at play, because the guy who lost was backed by the U.S., who wanted to open up Bolivia's natural gas reserves to the U.S., as well as hammer out a trade policy on its lithium mines (lithium is used in battery technology, and is an essential part of electric car battery production, hence my Tesla comment from earlier). So you have the leader of the coup who is a fascist, the opponent of Morales who is pro-U.S. economic policy, a claim by the OAS that the election results were fraudulent (an OAS which is heavily influenced by U.S. funding and politics), and a long history of the United States backing coups in nations where socialist leaders refuse to concede to their economic demands. If nothing else, that has to raise at least a few red flags.

That Chile, Nicaragua, Mexico, and Argentina's newest elected President have expressed doubts about the OAS findings, that they believe a coup is being carried out, should also weigh in, along with the fact that a number of OAS countries are wanting to convene to discuss this issue should be noted.

Of course, Jair Bolsanairo, the U.S. backed President of Brazil (who considers Trump a strong ally and has promised to help the U.S. build economic power in the region), said that this was a victory for the people, that the election was clearly a fraud. Jeremy Corbyn (leader of the UK opposition party) also stated that this was a coup.

So, you know, I'm not making any of this up. This isn't some out-of-nowhere concern.

@Quest - Morales has already resigned, along with his Vice President.

Only in defense of rightist causes and white privilege.
Right?

I just want to have this full blown idiocy on display. I mean, who the fuck makes this joke without realizing that the U.S. does have children locked in cages? How stump fucking stupid do you have to be to think the above quoted is a brilliant retort?

Between the two of us, @oldfella1962, only one of us has been active in working to get children freed from the prisons they've been locked in, and it isn't you.