More Anti-Firearm Stupidity.

You must have some doofy kids.

So far, no kids I know have misused a gun. I grew up on a block where every other kids Dad was a cop. So there were guns on my block in these homes. I was around guns as a young adult. None of us took a class.I do know kids that have misused drugs, sex and alcohol. So the gun safety thing is low on my list.

So because you personally don't know any kids that have misused a gun, it means the possibility is zero and we should therefore discount the idea of training for that event? That's like saying, "I've never been in a plane that lost an engine, so I don't think it's necessary for the pilot to know how to land without power."

This got me to thinking. In school, I remember drug and sex education, but I don't recall ever remember getting alcohol education.

Maybe I blacked out.

Never even heard about it in any of the schools I attended. I read the newspapers everyday and yes every couple of years I read about a gun mishap. Usually the fault of a careless gunowner.

I don't see the need to start having gun safety classes. It would more appear like training for gang bangers to me.

Sex and drugs are much more prevalent.

Training for crack whores?

But I submit again, that training gang bangers how to shoot would benefit the community. There would be less accidental shootings of twelve year olds in their beds during a drive-by.

You didn't.
But it is the way that the legal system is behaving here.
Gotta have parental permission to show them the proper way to handle a gun (to avoid stupid ass mistakes) but don't need parental permission to do something to correct something that was due to a stupid ass mistake.

I guess you NEVER went to the cookie jar after your mother told you to stay out. You NEVER did something your parents explicitly told you not to do. You were an angel
Right.
Next joke?

What about Drivers Education? Do you object to your child being taught to safely operate a machine that can kill people?

Yeah, Drivers Ed is OK. I took that in HS.

I wish they had driver's ed in school in my town! You had to teach them yourself (didn't mind that) but now there's a new law....
you have to pay for an actual certified driver school for your kid to get a license. Fuck that! I'm going on 30 years without an accident, including Korea, Italy, and other wacky places. I think I know how to drive. Plus, I was an instructor for years (not driving) so I can put out information and teach better than the average Joe/Jane.

WHAT!?!? They tought kids how to be getaway drivers and hit-and-run murderers in your school?

That was offered in Summer Drivers Ed

I had access to guns LONG before I had access to sex.

In the morning, in the evening, Ishoot my gun.

I think the bigger question here is, "Does the school have a right to teach whatever it wants over parents' objections?" Whether this applies to guns, sex education, homosexuality, whatever...

And is your own view consistent in this regard or hypocritical?

If we're relying on schools to teach safety issue things because the parents can't/won't, then we need to be serious about it and teach the kids the safety issues.

Is stuff like sex education already being taught against parent's objections? It's been a while ago, but I seem to remember having to get my Mom's signature on a permission slip before I could participate in any sex ed classes.

If so, it's probably more of a self-taught thing.

I've often thought a lot of the objection to sex education was the provocative title.

It should be called something like "The pee-pee game 101".
And the text for it could be "Pee-pee game, rules and scorekeeping".

How about "Entertaining with Sausages in Mixed Company"?

There you go!

Condom mints not included!

But that's not the case here with these hunting/gun lessons. Do you support "permission slips" in one case but not the other?

And a larger point would be, does a school have to garner permission over each and every subject or lesson it wishes to teach? Is the onus on the school to ask for approval from the parents or on the parents' to find out what their kids are learning and be involved?

I don't think the article said whether or not the class was manditory or not....unless I missed it.

No. I haven't decided which side I support, but either way it would go for all classes of the sort. Right now I'm leaning towards giving the parent the choice to opt out.

I see Sex Ed, Gun Safety, etc as a little different from more academic classes.

What I thought I had read was that parents' weren't told that this was being taught and were never given the option to "opt out".

I do too, but there are many parents out there that want to have their kids "opt out" of classes that teach subjects that they disagree with, such as homosexuality or evolution, for instance. Well, in evolution's case, it's not so much an "opt out" as it is a "equal time for examination of alternative theories"...

In any case, the result is that many curriculums are coming under intense scrutiny due to such objections and teachers aren't being allowed to do what they do best...which is teach...

May aI ask....this Sex ED, was it a class that dealt with sex only or was it part of Health class?

I object to the very concept of algebra. Should I as a parent be allowed to exclude my child from them, despite the fact it will hurt their chances of getting into a good college if they can't do higher mathematics? Why should I as a parent be able to keep potentally life saving information from my child based on my irrational sensitivities?

I'm almost at the point where the schools should just put the cirriculum online, tell the parents, "we will teach this exactly and if you don't like it, either run for the school board or send your kid to private sachool. We're going to teach your children if it kills you."

Teachers don't create the curriculum on their own. They must teach the approved curriculum and insure that the kids can graduate and earn a diploma.

So I don't see where they are not being allowed to teach. This gun/hunting stuff has gotta be extra-curricular. A HS elective course.

I have not heard any protests over Math, Science, History, PE. English and Foreign Language, just to name the main courses.