Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/middleeast/israel-coalition-deal-intl/index.html On the one hand, it looks like the guy who would replace him for the next two years is an even bigger asshole (though probably not as corrupt), and the better person wouldn't get to be PM until 2023. On the other hand, it's a parliamentary system, so maybe that doesn't matter as much?
Looks like the "kingmaker" here is a Netanyahu lackey who span off for his own aggrandizement. In terms of political views, they are cheese and more cheese. I'd be watchful of him pushing any legislation that will limit Lapid once he takes over.
If he does that, doesn't the coalition potentially fall apart? Seems like he couldn't do too much without Yesh Atid going "fuck this, we'll take our chances with Likud again."
Assuming Netanyahu leaves politics, I completely expect that in two years the coalition will fracture. In the first two years the center and left have incentive to hold on knowing that someone who better represents them will get the PM chair in 2023. Once that happens there seems little incentive for one of the right wing members to hold on and not decide to blow it all up and force elections.
Yeah, Atid has already forced concessions on fines against Arab businesses that the Likud offered and the coalition had to match. It's a good position for him to be in.
Bibi's gone full Trump (or maybe Trump went full Bibi? He really wanted to treat BLM and Sanctuary cities like Bibi treated Palestinians):
A guy who can unite enough of Israel's Left, Ultra Right, Center and Arabs to form a coalition government has to be an asshole of historic proportions.
It matters more than you think. I mean, we just got rid of a president who did whatever the hell he wanted, and it caused massive disruption around the country and affected other parts of the world. Naftali Bennet is a fascist, who formed the New Right party a few years ago, focused on silencing political and academic dissent against the rightful ownership of Israel solely by the Jewish people. He, like Netanyahu, believes in the genocide of the Palestinian people. So the US is going to love the guy.
The Palestinian population grew 3 times faster than the US or Canadian populations over the last 100 years. If you continue to call a massive expansion of population, from 600,000 to 6 million in 100 years, a genocide, you have the same moral authority as any right winger that calls anything they don't like communism. They have set up an apartheid state, and have no plan going forward for a two state system. It's evident Israel has given up on that. And yes, that means they are routinely violating civil rights. But that's not the same things as the ovens cremating bodies 24/7/365. Honestly, it's not even close.
If you're foolish enough to think genocide only exists when it's ovens cremating bodies, then no wonder you have difficulty understanding the Palestinians. It would behoove you to reconsider what you understand to be genocide.
A minor positive. The incoming administration - though composed of people whose records are variable to say the least - at least has the virtue of being an unknown quantity given its many parts.
Genocide is literally the root words genos (gr: people) and -cide (gr: act of killing). So yes, at its core, it means the intentional mass murder of a population. It was coined as a reaction to the Holocaust in the book 'Axis Rule of Occupied Europe.' So yes, it matters that the Palestinian population is booming. Clearly the Jews aren't going about annihilating all members of the Arab groups in Palestine. Just as clearly, those members have overtly stated it IS their goal to annihilate not only the nation of Israel, but the Jewish people that comprise it. You want people like me on board? Get the official policy of Hamas to change that. Until that point in time, its hard to censure Israel for not giving them political autonomy so they can carry out their goal. And yes, it does matter that the people who are being threatened with actual genocide as the stated political goal of the government of the West Bank are in large part the direct descendants to those who were sent to the showers then fed to the ovens in the largest genocide in history.
Yes, I think that the polity of Palestine shouldn't exist when its government's charter says that peace can't exist and that Israel and the Jewish people need to be destroyed. If you agree that is acceptable, you are worse than useless. Peace isn't possible when one side says peace will never be possible.
No, you ignore Israel's stated goal of genocide and put the onus on the Palestinian people, who are defending themselves against a state oppressor. You sound like the old racists back in the 50s who said Martin Luther King, Jr was a terrorist. To paraphrase Malcolm X, you're hating the people being oppressed, and loving the oppressor because you accept what the newspapers are telling you.
Isreal doesn't have a stated goal of genocide. You are overtly lying. Hamas does. And not only routinely attempts to kill Israelis, also kills Palestinians who think peace is possible. All the emotional hand wringing in the world doesn't change that fact. By your definition, the Confederacy suffered from genocide. Genocide isn't simply being deprived of political autonomy. Hell, Israel isn't even in control of the education in Palestine. They are free to be taught that Israel is the greatest evil, remove it from all their maps, and lionize suicide bombers as great heroes for the cause. You can't even say they are attempting to wipe Palestinian culture away. And Malcolm X ultimately came to the realization that the attempted violent overthrow of the US government wasn't possible, and would only destroy his people. And was assassinated by violent advocates on his side - just like Hamas does to their own people.
Yes, I sincerely hope that the fact that the Arab coalition makes the government possible will ameliorate the worst impulses of the new PM Naftali Bennet. If only Hamas was also willing to share power with political dissidents of their system, it's possible we might see both groups move toward the center. But they fought a war with Fatah for power and justified it because Fatah was willing to enter into peace negotiations with Israel. The Israeli population is certainly the conservative right now considering that the first and second largest political blocks are lead by Netanyahu and Bennet. Fatah would be center-right now on their axis. Hamas is fundamentalist Islam and has declared it is the holy duty of all Muslims to destroy Israel, that peace isn't possible, and that when the time comes the trees will cry out the hiding places of the Jews so they can be killed.
The bad news is that this coalition is led by an asshole roght-winger. The good news is that the coalition is so shaky a badly timed fart could cause it to collapse. Any mives by Neftali to over-reach to meet his long term goals would surely cause it to collapse. The power-sharing deal is supposed to have a switch in PMs in two years, but given the political realities I can't see the coalition lasting that long. However, if everyone is dealing in good faith (yeah right) they could just push through stuff that everyone agrees needs doing and coast along and make it to the two-year handover and even on-schedule elections. I wouldn't bet on that but I guess it could happen.
Yes, causing 'serious mental harm' is the equivalent of wiping out entire populations. If you look at books or articles about genocide, that's not what they are on. It dilutes the term to make it applicable to virtually any conflict. The moral equivalency of calling what happened in Armenia, Germany, Poland, Cambodia and Rwanda, places where entire populations were slaughtered, with 'mental harm' IMO is tantamount to denial. There is no equivalency, and claiming such is quite frankly disgusting.
I've talked about the difference between Fatah and Hamas in this thread. But when we are talking about thousands of rockets being fired at Israel, we are talking about Hamas, and they are the ruling body of nearly half the population of Palestine. There is no long term solution without the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its population with them in power. Who says so? They do. It's a religious obligation to them.
Great, so as previously discussed the inhabitants of Gaza can look to the areas of Palestine not controlled by Hamas for lessons on how they will have a path forward into a state that isn't filled with Israeli checkpoints without hope of actually becoming a viable state. Right?
Interesting post, but literally all I did was post without commentary what seems to be actual definition since yourself and Amaris were both proposing alternative ideas of what it was.
If you are considering genocide as eliminating a nationality or ethnicity then you could use some form of torturous re-education or conversion therapy on a large group of people which might end up being arguably worse than a quick death. I am talking about some serious depraived psychological manipulation and opresion over a large group of people.
