I play with my Wii all the time... Seriously though, the thing is awesome, when they get a Wii-board I'll start using it as my primary internet browser in the living room and unhook the Dell and ebay it. The news channel is awesome, if you've seen it you know what I mean, it makes the world news a 3-D experience. The weather channel needs a refresh button so you can get up to the minute forcasts and conditions, other than that, no complaints.
One of my friends sent me a link to the E3 trailer for the WiiFit. After watching the trailer, I do know I want to buy one. However, I have to buy a Nintendo Wii first! -J.
Saw on /. today, in Japan, Wii is outselling the PS3 3:1, Xbox 360 7:1. Also, Super Paper Mario is pretty awesome.
Wiifit..if anyone buys that and the crappy steering wheel i will fly out to them and smash there skull in with a wiimote.
Probably not Wiifit, but unless it really sucks I will definitely be getting Mario Kart (which comes with that wheel apparently) So bring it.
Re: Ninendo Pulls Ahead It's true... what is there unique about those consoles outside of these titles? I guess there are some good racing titles. But a lot of people group that into "sports" (not me personally). Really, there are a few types of games out there for xbox360/ps3: inferior shooters, great sports games, pretty good racing titles, a very small # of decent RPG titles. Still can't top SNES/Genesis era RPG games imho (or NES for that matter). PS1/2 had a lot of solid RPG titles as well. IMO as graphics has improved the quality of RPGs has gone down in general. Like I said, sports franchises are really all that is great about the Xbox360 / PS3 consoles.
Yeh my roommate had that 1, it looks pretty bitchin from what I've seen. I actually just bought Paper Mario #1 (for N64) on wii virtual console because I regretted never buying it back in the day. I might pick up Super Paper Mario after I play through it.
Re: Ninendo Pulls Ahead If you've read any other threads I've talked about upcoming games in, you'd realize this isn't the case.
Re: Ninendo Pulls Ahead I did not like RPGs when I was a kid, and going back through them now on older systems can be like pulling teeth. I have found that I generally don't like the RPGs on the old Sega systems, and the RPGs on Nintendo were lacking in most regards. I agree, that the look of a game has taken the frontseat over everything else nowadays, but for RPGs the most radical change is style of play. The old RPGs played mostly the same way- walk, town, talk, field, battle (turn based), repeat. Now it is all these flashy Action RPGs that have flooded the market, which helps play into the graphics requirements. I am not against the shift in the market, but people are forgetting what a true RPG is.
Ooo.. I loved Shadowrun on Genesis, was good fun. There are many different types of RPGs, they don't all have to be turned-based or die rolls to be a true RPG. And RPG is a game where you take on the role of a character and go on an adventure. It doesn't have to mean turn-based gameplay. Short for role-playing game, it is a game genre where one or more players adopt a role and act it out in a virtual reality. Usually in an RPG game, you will set out on an adventure or quest, and multiplayer RPG games allows gamers to complete these quests with other gamers as allies over the Internet or as a LAN game. http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RPG.html A computer role-playing game (CRPG[1]) is a widely encompassing video game genre originally developed for personal computers and other home computers. The earliest CRPGs were inspired by early role-playing games, especially Dungeons and Dragons, and attempted to provide a similar play experience. Despite the large degree of differences that exist among CRPGs, some common elements can be found in most CRPGs. These include having at least one avatar with quantized characteristics which change over the course of the game in predictable ways and take the place of the gamer's own skill in determining in game outcomes, and having a well developed fictional setting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game_(video_game) A true rpg is what you define it to be, but when it comes to gaming, is a broad category.
OK, well by your definition, every video game is an RPG. You always take on some ROLE when you PLAY the GAME. Guess what, we still don't call every game an RPG though, do we?
Oblivion is a true RPG, yet set in a FPS setting. RPGs can span many categories. But you know what? You want to define a "true" RPG? Then you won't find one on a PC or console. A true RPG is played with pen and paper.
Should have qualified it with *skilling up, leveling up* elements as well. But, most games DO have some sort of RPG elements in them anymore. There is no true RPG, except pen/paper RPGs.
Agreed, and I much prefer pen / paper RPG's, as they always have a much broader world in which you can do, literally, anything that you fancy. I'm playing a D&D game now where my character is psychopathic rogue who enjoys things like clubbing the monsters we fight so he can torture them later and leaving poisonous snakes in other party member's beds to see if it will kill them. You just can't DO something like that in a regular RPG, heh, even one as good as KOTOR.
Meh, you broke out the D20 rule of thumb and no shame in your game because it doesn't get much "truer" than D&D. The fact of the matter is, what I am saying and have been trying to get acrossed is- RPGs on consoles, as far as the the genre defining start, began with the FFs and Dragon Warriors, and to a lesser (though not unimportant) degree Phantasy Star. I am not trying to say that the things which you have mentioned are entirely not RPGs, but they are most certainly hybrids and not true to the originating form (true RPGs). Even the glorious Nippon Ichi, doesn't make RPGs- they make Strategy RPGs. As far as the breakdown goes in my opinion, games like Fable fall under the Action RPG heading mainly because of their use of a real time active combat system that requires aiming and timing (moreso than any of the FF-type). Then Oblivion... Oblivion felt like playing an MMO without the MM. In my opinion it would fall under the Adventue RPG heading, primarily because the game focuses entirely on your adventure as a living being in Cyrodil(I think, can't remember). I am not trying to tell you that what you are playing is not an RPG, but rather that it is not one in the traditional standard. There are games that are more hack and slash adventure with a splash of RPG elements- Devil May Cry, Fable and then RPGs with a touch of Hack'n'Slash- Brave Fencer Musashi (again, I think). I think the original argument that started here was you and I disagreeing about RPGs on the 360, and later agreeing to disagree. I admit you are correct that there are RPGs on it, but I submit that there are little to no Traditional RPGs on it. I can live with that (and must, since I just bought the elite ).
You sicken me. It isn't that you like pen & papers, I love 'em. Not even that you are playing D&D, as I am too. What disturbs me now, more than ever, is you as a player. You would have some evil little rogue (I say little because they are the preferred of Halflings) try to kill his adventure mates. It is sickening in how detrimental to the campaign it is. Oh and a close running second is that you thought KotOR was a good game.
The people in the party LIKE it. Hell, many of them asked me to play, cause I do things differently. It is, after all, just a game.
There are evenings when, in the throes of passion, I enlist the aid of a fallen skeleton's skull and femur in order to play a side game of baseball with my fellow adventurers. Like you say, you can't do stuff like that in regular RPGs these days.
This forum is about video games so it goes without saying that we are not talking about tabletops. And, "hybrids" are just that. Even if you talk around the issue and broaden the category to include all things that have any remotely RPG elements... there still isn't anything on the PS3/360. There was... Oblivion, and thats it. Oh and that was cross-platform. Like I said before... the ONLY areas where 360 and PS3 excel above competitors/previous systems is Sports and Racing franchises. PS3 will eventually get some good RPGs I'm guessing, but at the moment, both 360 and PS3 are barren in this category. You can expect PS3 to deliver in this area with the amount of deals sony has already... on the other hand, the 360 just has Fable 2 coming. Which sure was cool (fable 1) but was far too short (unless you consider a lot of tedious, pointless sidetracking to be "good content".)
So, you're still wrong? RPGs for 360 or coming soon (some x-platform): Eternal Sonata Oblivion Mass Effect Enchanted ARMs Blue Dragon Fable 2 Two Worlds Lost Odyssey Phantasy Star Univserse Fallout 3 Age of Conan Culdcept Saga Marvel Ultimate Alliance The Precursors Magna Carta 2 Dragon Age Last Remnant There are also a lot of JRPGs in Japan for the 360, which will make it stateside. But, I have a feeling, no matter how many I post, it won't matter to you.
lol So, what are you disagreeing with there? Oh, it's a return neg, because your post was actually wrong? lol.
We were talking about good ones that are out. Notice I said "currently" barren. So yeah, that brings your list back down to Oblivion.
Blue Dragon is out. So is Enchanted Arms, Marvel Ultimate Universe, Phantasy Star Universe (being good only if you like the setting), Eternal Sonata and Two Worlds are out next month and Oblivion. No consoles had good RPGs within their first year of launching. The 360 got Oblivion quite quickly. RPGs are always touch and go, with calling them 'good' and who likes the theme. A lot of people will say FF has sucked ass past FF7. An RPG that is good, is very subjective to it's audience.
