Obama Admin Wags the Dog

So much for that Peace prize.


Plans to strike Iran "ready," says U.S. Israel envoy

Those making such threats should be arrested and tried.

It's always "wagging the dog" when a Democrat does it.

When a Republican does it, it's "protecting America," and anyone who claims otherwise is a terrorist/communist/atheist/pedophile.

Correct.

Right again.



You're on top of your game today.

I'm not seeing anything wrong in what the position is.

Of course his winning the same prize Arafat did, well that about says it all.

Who is surprised? Anyone who DIDN'T think that we have a full battle plan ready to go against Iran or North Korea is incredibly naive.

... and if so, subsequently aquitted and exonerated. Nulla poena sine lege.

Major troop involvement in Iran is only necessary if there's a plan for nation building afterwards. If no plan for nation building is in the works, any war with Iran will be pretty damned short and result in there not being a functional Iranian military afterwards.

Would sandbagger prefer a nuclear armed Iran, ready and able to lash out at Israel or American interests in the Middle East?

Survey says...if it hurts Obama, yes!

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."

The supreme law of the land, according to your constitution.

I really don't want to see a nuclear Iran. If Team Obama does something to prevent that, I'll be the first to applaud them.

For what? Saying their military is ready and able to launch military action, if military action were needed?

Every leader of every nation in history would be in jail if you could be arrested and tried for that.

One would think someone in your line of work would understand the concept of wargame scenarios.

Apparently not.

This^.

Exactly. And hardly desirable given the public mood and the costs of the last two wars.

I'll trouble you to read the fucking thread.

Of course we have plans for conducting an assault on Iran, and many other countries, I'm sure. The real question is, why should we care? Can Iran directly threaten the US, militarily? The answer is no. You better believe that Irans neighbors have a vested interest in keeping nuclear weapons out of the Iranians hands. Don't think for one second the Israelis wont attack any facility they think may be developing nukes, ask Iraq about that. Nobody in the region wants Persian hegemony, I doubt very much we'll have to lift a finger in this situation, militarily. Have a read:
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-axis/israel-s-new-submarines-geared-at-tackling-rising-mideast-threats-from-the-sea-1.429472

Iran is run by some scary folks but I don't see them ever taking a nuclear first strike. It's inevitable that they are going to get nuclear weapons if they want them, and I'm very dubious of anyone who cheers on the idea of potentially starting a major middle east war.

Hold on a second - I'm not a geography wizard or anything, but if Iran is such a playground sandbox (no pun intended) bully to it's neighbors.....aren't those neighbors physically CLOSER than we are to this supposed threat?

But more importantly, Obama wags and eats dogs too? What else does he do to them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgH6lKKaI9g

You need to study up a bit on the Iranians and the way they 'do business', which has traditionally been through proxies. No, it is VERY unlikely they would execute a conventional nuclear first strike against anyone. But it would not be out of character for them AT ALL to supply a nuclear device (explosive, dirty, or EMP tweaked, take your pick) to someone like Hezbollah to be used against Israel, the U.S., or some other target.

Iran can very definitely threaten the US. Just because they can't hit mainland US with a missile, does not mean they're not a threat. Nukes can be sent in via terrorist groups and detonated here. The US Sixth Fleet is based out of Bahrain which they could directly hit.

You mean the same lot that threw human wave attacks of their own people against Saddam's chemical weapons and armored divisions? That lot you're not worried about?

Fifth Fleet, actually, but close enough.

Sixth Fleet is based in Naples, Italy.

We have unlimited ammo for any human wave. Also, we hit what we aim at. A human wave would be hilarious.

No one wants war.

But often, to keep the peace one must be prepared for war.

That Obama seems to be doing that, is a good thing.

If he's really doing it, yes it is.

If he's paying lip service for political gains, no so much.

Weapon manufacturers disagree.

Obama would kill every service member and their families for fun. He's like that.

This is a blatant lie, and nothing more than vicious slander. It is unworthy of you.

It's not "fun," it's "practice."

So can any other country, individual or rogue entity with access to nukes. What makes Iran so much more of a threat?

With what, exactly? Missiles? Missiles can be shot down, that's what Aegis is for. Naval attack? With what, midget submarines of dubious quality?

Iran is run by batshit crazy religious extremists who hate the U.S. If, say, Sweden had nukes, they would not be the same threat.

I understand that. I just don't think they are "batshit crazy" enough to risk their power being wiped away by attacking countries that are capable of annihilating
them. People over-estimate Iran's power and capabilities. I also think attacking Europe or the US would trigger a popular uprising among the people.

The thing that makes Iran more of a threat is that they don't just talk abt helping terrorists, the manipulate and supply them. Already.

And have for a long time.

Sad that you should even have to explain this to some people.