Oldest Known Fragment of the New Testament Found

I just did, didn't hear shit. Add that to all the times I hear "Have you heard the word of God?", and I haven't tells me he doesn't exist. If he did, wouldn't he answer since he wants everyone to be saved and bask in his glory?

He probably won't if you're outside the 859 area code. He doesn't like making long distance calls. Or you could have coach Calipari contact him at basketball practice, which he likes to watch. Just don't mention football. We know what's up with that and He is not relenting on the subject.

And what was with Lot's wife being turned to salt for looking back, but then Lot and his daughters watch the city burn the rest of the way....by looking at it?
So....you couldn't look at it at the right time?
And God didn't say "don't look back, or bad shit will happen", he just says "don't look back", like "put it all behind you".

It's almost like this shit was written by hacks for selfish political reasons.

But was she kosher salt?

Know what? I'm calling it.
The Bible is the most overrated object in planet Earth.

It depends upon when her last period was.

I've heard that the part about Lot's wife wasn't that she just "looked back" but that she in fact "turned to go back" and reduced to ashes along with the city.

At any rate, Christianity is hardly based the fate of Lot's wife.

Well, which is it? She looked back? Or she decided that a city with fire and brimstone raining down upon it was a better place than where she was going with her family? Shouldn't the Bible be clear on this?

True, but the God who smote her, is the same God who sent His son down to be killed. It makes for a good character study of the big guy, don't you think?

BTW, I'm still waiting for your answer on how you'd handle the Exodus migration. I'm not asking you to provide me with an answer I agree with, I'm only asking for an answer which proves you're capable of thinking things through in detail, something you've yet to demonstrate in any thread.

So, are you saying the bible is wrong? Since the bible does say she looked back, not was going back. And where did you hear this? Because if the bible is God's word, then God is wrong and/or fallible.

And if she was going back, was it because she wanted some of the "D" that her daughters got? Which reminds me, I've heard that she was turned to salt because her asking for salt from a neighbor is was let the other people in town know there were strangers in town.

God is perfect and flawless.

But the Bible was written through flawed humans for reading by other flawed humans. Human language and understanding has its limits.

Not to mention that God expects people to search the Bible and try to expand their understanding. Just as textbooks in school do not have every detail and nuance of history or science as students are expected to continue their own education and perform research on their own.

Which means no matter how hard you work at trying to understand the thing, it's still a crap shoot if you got it right. If only there was a way for God to prevent that from happening, but I guess that just must be beyond His abilities, or surely He'd have done it. After all, wouldn't every parent do anything they could to prevent their child from suffering for all eternity?

What's the evidence for him being perfect and flawless?

Did you quit going to the Church of Christ or something?

So what you're saying, then, is that we can't trust the bible? Sounds like progress on your part.

Good call! But maybe they watched the city burn by using one of those holes in a piece of paper/box tricks that lets
you look at an eclipse with safety.

Science textbooks pretty frequently show the planets of our solar system all line up in nice order.

In real life that NEVER happens.

Are the textbooks lying that we educate our young people with?

Given your repeated references to it, you should know that the Church of Christ has NO, as in NONE AT ALL, central authority on matters of religion.

And yet:

So is that your church's dogma or just your own?

If you misunderstand how the planetary orbits are situated, the odds of you fucking up someone's life are basically nil. If you pick the wrong interpretation of a Bible verse, a lot of innocent people can die (or wind up in Hell, assuming that you believe in such things).

My interpretation based on the Bible.

The church of Christ has no specific "dogma" that I can find. They have some worship practices they prefer but these are not set in stone and frequently vary widely.

So you've assigned yourself theological authority. What do you need a church for?

That you can find? Is there never any mention in church of "this is what we believe"? Have you ever asked?

Simply to have other liked minded believers to associate with in a mutually reinforcing environment.

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No & Yes

It's not clear how they're "like-minded" if your church's policy is "do whatever you want" (though that certainly explains your behavior).

What you really mean is, you just like hanging out with your neighbors. You could do that at a barbecue.

Consider the church like the NYC marathon.

Lots of people. All moving in the same direction, at the same time.

But they are still all individuals with different motives, strengths, weaknesses, attitudes, goals, et cetera.

Yet they are all together, all moving, all in the same general direction.

The religion of barbecue > other religions.

You can find out the "dogma" of the Church of Christ by clicking the link in Dayton's signature.

However, since the CoC is neither a creedal nor confessional church, and is based upon Congregational polity, no individual Church of Christ is actually required to adhere too tightly to anything specific.

Some general tendencies amongst CoC congregations, however, are teetotalism (grape juice for communion instead of wine), a capella worship music (no instruments permitted), believer's baptism, and a belief in baptismal regeneration. The extend to which any given CoC might hold to these varies to some degreee.

But it sounds to me like you can't even "define" the general direction in which they go. :O

Thanks, that's helpful.

So "only a remnant will be saved" is Dayton's particular "I'm special and you're not" spin.

When I was in high school, the local CoC got a new pastor who had teenage kids. It was something of a scandal when they wanted to be in the marching band.

I go to heaven, you go to hell.....no matter who does it...is the ultimate form of elitism.