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  1. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    "We is."
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Things that don't work-

    Frito Lay employee.

    Things that do work-

    Racist Youtuber.
    Homophobic gay Twitterer.

    Geez, it's almost like America sucks or something....
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  3. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I'm not ignoring this. I plan to respond. But I can't really do it on my phone, and I'm a little tied up on my laptop today.
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    That's your only issue? That my statement is grammatically incorrect? So, the rest correct? Left Forge is smarter than Right Forge?
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  5. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That employee certainly does. But maybe that employee could take a night class? Or try for an internal promotion?
    Racism and homophobia aside, if you can earn a living from what you do, you're providing value for someone.
    It really doesn't.
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  6. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The irony that a proclamation of intellectual superiority fails basic grammar is lost on you.
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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    They just have to cross their fingers really hard that their heart doesn't literally explode.

    There's a shocker.
    :diacanu:
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    Oh. Dude. I'm working. My posts are usually while waiting for an excel sheet to open/close/update because I deal with more data than excel can handle. So, if my error is in grammar and that's your only complaint, you lose.
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  9. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Nooo...for the night class, you just have to sign up. If it's local adult ed, it may be almost free. For the internal promotion, do the current job well. Volunteer for more. Do what others are unwilling to do.

    Those are often interpretations rather than matters of actual fact.
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  10. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    No, no, don't you see?
    You're dehumanized now.
    May as well work at Frito Lay now.
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  11. Jenee

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    Only to those looking for excuses for that behavior.
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Yeah, a shitload of 'em die of heart attacks.
    It's a thing.
    That's why they're protesting for better working conditions.
    Y'know, improving their lot.
    I know "not that way!".
  13. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    She doesn't have to. She knows how to use Excel.
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  14. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I'm not against safer, cleaner, more comfortable working conditions (all within reason, of course). :shrug:
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    what he's not getting is that that F*L line employee is actually working there through an employment agency that in turn scalps about 1/3 of their hourly, in perpetuity. Or that those workers are rarely, if ever, promoted to regular employment.

    Oh, and they're likely working some insane 12/12-4/3 shift cycles as well, depending on over time laws.


    See, this is where my initial implication of privilege came from. I don't think you have a clue of conditions the precariat classes are up against.
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  16. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    The fact that that's even confounding my sneering sarcasm detector means I should probably round upward, and just assume.
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Helluva wiggle room there.

    "That shit took 45 seconds longer than 10 minutes, you're fired!".
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    Eliteforge! :mob:
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  19. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    It's temp work; the agency handles all the overhead of hiring and paying the employee. They are not "scalping." All parties involved have agreed to the situation.
    One of my best friends (I've known him since the 10th grade) actually works a job very much like this. Temp agency hire for an industrial bakery. The hours are awful, the pay is terrible, the benefits limited, the opportunities for advancement non-existent. I'm a little worried because he's 53, hasn't a penny to his name, lives in a rented bedroom in another friend's house (gets a discount because he acts as part-time caretaker), and has almost nothing saved for retirement. He's a very personable guy, a diligent worker, and smart, albeit in his own kind of way. Another friend and I are constantly suggesting things he could do to advance, but he doesn't seem to listen.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    It should go without saying that everything has to be within reason.
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  21. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    By any reasonable set of definitions, unfair and unjust are synonyms.

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unjust

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unfair

    Again, if someone wants to say, well life is unfair/unjust, I have no obligation to try to make life more fair/just, and someone has to prove to me that the form of unfairness/injustice that they claim to be experiencing is real as opposed to in their head/virtue signaling/an unproven assumption, enjoy. That's their prerogative.
    How many assassination plots were there for Trump, W, and Clinton to constitute how many are constituted by "no more than it usually does."?
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  22. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    there's hardly an option much of the time...
    when I was living in eastern ontario there were three major factories and that sort of temp arrangement was the only way in.

    that's not agreement, that's coercion when the other option is starvation.

    perhaps maybe the issue isn't your friend's lack of ambition but that he's being ripped off?

    don't change the oil in your car for the next 150 000 miles, see how well it still works.
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    And with all deliberate speed
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Unsurprising. I don't know what the rules are in Canada, but here that arrangement is common so that staffing can be increased or decreased quickly as needs require. The law probably makes it very expensive to lay people off when business takes a downturn.
    One could say that of any job.

    My question is: how can you claim your work is worth more if you can't prove it by getting an offer at your desired price?

    Pretty sure it's a lack of ambition. But if he's content where he's at--and if he isn't, he doesn't really voice it--I'll have to be content to not pester him about it.
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    Or your well meaning efforts are wasted because your life experiences are so different that your suggestions are completely irrelevant, just like Mitt Romney’s “borrow $50,000 from your parents.
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  26. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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  27. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That's just it. Our life experiences weren't very different, at least not until we were 20 or so. To any extent they were different, they were largely in his favor. His family lived in a nice house in the nicer area of my town, his parents were successful (mother an accountant, stepdad a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force), etc. He could've gone to college (he did make a half-hearted attempt at a local community college) but instead began a series of mostly unskilled labor jobs (working in a warehouse, etc.). I imagine he'll inherit quite a bit when his parents kick off, so he probably won't be destitute in old age...
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    I can work at Frito Lay if I fucking want to.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    :lol:

    Sure, go for it!
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    While that is what someone just looking at the book cover might think. When you open the book, you see that @Spaceturkey is correct.