Philando Castile's Killer Acquitted

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  1. Quincunx

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    I don't know about the jury, but it seems to me that a big part of the shooting was the officer's racist assumption that a black man with a gun is automatically a threat.
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    :lol: Suspended license? No insurance? Georgia will LOCK YOUR ASS UP. :yes: So let me get this straight - dude drives around in a fucked-up car and he will be likely at any time to not even be driving LEGALLY by the standards of any First World nation and people are shocked that HE GETS FUCKED WITH? :lol: Damn he's "driving on borrowed time" so basic math would tell you one of these times a traffic stop will not-end-well. Damn if he was white every motherfucker on word forge would point and laugh at his being such a fuck-up. :yes:

    Newsflash - driving isn't a right, and being black doesn't mean you get a pass on being a shit-bag driver/vehicle owner. Maybe keeping this guy from driving may have saved his life.
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    Are you fucking stoned or ten years old or both? Would you bet your life on someone NOT pulling a gun on you just because they haven't done it before?
    There's a first time for everything! Would you bet your life that (since he was well known to law enforcement for his attitude of not...giving..a...fuck as proven by his lengthy record of not giving a fuck) he might snap and you might be his first? If armchair quarterbacking was a sport you just threw a 99 yard touchdown pass with your eyes closed.
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    Injustice and ‘negrophobia’: Here is why Philando Castile is dead and another police officer walked


    Philando Castile is dead because Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot him. And Yanez shot him because he claims he feared for his life. And he feared for his life, supposedly, because Castile informed him he had a gun and was ostensibly reaching for it. But this makes no sense, and surely in a society less infected with the pathogen of what Jody David Armour calls “Negrophobia,” all would see why. Aside from the fact that Castile had no criminal history that would suggest he posed a threat to Yanez — something about which Yanez could not have known at the time — there is one thing the officer most assuredly should have been able to discern: namely, that when a man intends to shoot you, he does not announce the presence of his weapon first, so as to give you time to draw yours. This was not, I beg to remind you, a duel.

    And so we are left with the ineluctable conclusion that Yanez feared for his life because Philando Castile was a black man with a gun, and for no other reason. Although licensed to carry it — a point he made to Yanez in what would constitute some of his final words — such a thing means little, either to police, the NRA, or those “All Lives Matter” folks who by their silence over Castile’s killing and the acquittal of the one who killed him have made quite clear whom they mean — and don’t mean, or include — in their definition of “all.”
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  5. The Flashlight

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    Bullshit.

    Philando was told not to reach for his pockets, he reached anyway after having told the officer he was armed. Officer reacted and fired defensive shot. Totally justified.

    Not to mention Officer Yanez thought Castile resembled a robbery suspect from a couple of days prior.

    You've a got a guy with a long criminal record who is no stranger to being pulled over by the cops and arrested. He's riding around with a 4 y/o in the backseat with a loaded weapon in the pocket of his shorts. He doesn't have the gun in a holster, or in the glove compartment, or in the trunk. He's got the gun in his pocket. There's a giant red flag right there.

    Like it or not, a jury of 12 of Officer Yanez's peers agreed. Of course, you're never going to convince the Black Power types like 14th Douche and Quest. Their minds were made up the moment they heard "black guy shot by non-black cop."

    https://www.policeone.com/use-of-fo...-shot-Philando-Castile-justified-in-shooting/


    If the Black Power agitators want to blame someone for the acquittal, why not blame the prosecutor, who obviously failed to discredit the defense expert witnesses?
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    How did he not give a fuck? The gun was legal. He had a carry permit. He followed the recommendations for how to conduct oneself during a traffic stop. And he got shot anyway, for no other reason than the sight of a black man is enough to make an officer fear for his life.
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    Ignoring the flippant tone, I'll just state that no...no one expects to be harassed on a regular basis. And we're all award of how arrest-happy your miserable clusterfuck of a,state is, so...

    No. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Being poor is nothing to laugh at. My mom has had to drive without tagsjust to cover rent and the gas to get to work. I barely make my own ends meet now. Who am I to look down on someone.

    Poverty crime =/=vice crimes.

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    I've met Romanian gymnasts who couldn't stretch as well as you've done here.

    Castile was reaching for his ID. JUST AS THE COP TOLD HIM TO DO.

    And the "unforgivable sin" of having a loaded weapon outside of a holster? You mean like the countless number of time white people leave weapons on beds and tables and even their goddamn purse within arm's reach of their curious two year old? Spare me your fake outrage.

    And there's the common sense fact that no one who intends to shoot will announce that they have a weapon on them. This is why even sane anti-gun people get pissed with NJ and NYC for arresting law-abiding gun owners who follow procedures to check in weapons between layovers.

    Fuck you, racist.
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  9. The Flashlight

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    According to who? The girlfriend? Yolanda's first reaction to her boyfriend being shot was to whip out her cellphone and log into Facebook to live-stream boyfriend's last gurgles. Not sure I'd trust her account of things.

    Castile was told not to reach for anything. He did so anyway. :shrug:

    Anyway, 12 jurors who sat and listened to the prosecution present all your arguments arrived at a different conclusion. Maybe you can get yourself on the jury for the next "white cop kills black guy" case and make sure they convict. I bet you could even get yourself booked for an interview on The View afterward. I know you want to meet Whoppi, right?

    Irrelevant and unrelated to the topic under discussion.

    https://apnews.com/7f54b01b8a1d45ab...told-officer-about-gun-key-part-final-moments

    Read the article. It's not as clear-cut as you'd like to think.

    I'm the furthest thing from a racist you could imagine.

    However, I don't allow myself to be influenced by activists, agitators and professional protesters who whip the public into a frenzy and want to try these cases in the media. I wait for the facts to be presented at trial.

    But, once you play the "racist" card, any further discussion is rendered pointless. So go ahead and stomp your feet, scream & yell. Maybe there will be riots with some burning cop cars. Maybe some cops will get shot, as 14th Douche is hoping.
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    Two expert witnesses testified for the defense. They were both "use of force" experts. They concluded the shooting was justified. :shrug:
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    People seem to have the weird idea that just because law enforcement officers risk their lives means they are continually supposed to endanger themselves rather than use lethal levels of force to protect themselves.

    I look at it the opposite way. Law enforcement officers are trained and entrusted to know when and where to use lethal force. Thus they are granted a degree of judgement and freedom to make that decision.

    While a civilian making a mistake in using lethal force might well be manslaughter (or even second degree murder) for law enforcement a mistake (even a lethal one) is still simply a mistake. Part of their job.
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    Not to worry, Oldfella and Fleshycan suck all the cops without any more backup.
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    "Blue Lives Matter", as the pigs like to claim. That is, cops have a habit of thinking of themselves as a breed apart from the rest of us.
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    Here's how he does not give a fuck.....wait for it.....being pulled over on a continual basis for traffic violations! And now I find out he had the gun in his shorts, loaded. Does that sound like a responsible citizen who "gives a fuck?" :chris: Anna, if I kept getting pulled over for the shit this guy did would you say I was "being harassed" or ""being a dumb-fuck?" :chris: Yeah, I fucking thought so. So when does being black give you a pass on not having to follow the rules of the road/registration/insurance? :chris:

    Fuck you Anna you racist - if it was up to me every...single....cop would be black so maybe that would either shut you the fuck up or really give you something to cry about when they do their jobs. Oh who am I kidding, you would call them all Uncle Toms and Oreo anyway for enforcing "white based" laws. :dayton:
    If you have a life threatening emergency and call the cops I hope it's a white one so you can send him packing in fear for your life and just take your chances with the black guy kicking your door in. Damn please keep your ass in California - it's a great fit for you. :yes:
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    I don't like cops any more than anyone - I like keeping a full wallet. But damn, driving around with no fucking regard for insurance, registration, lights, etc.etc. what the fuck do you expect? He's black so he shouldn't be expected to abide by the same rules as a white driver? Again, since I don't have a time machine we can't pick our own cotton. But we can have a 100 percent black police force in every US city and town. Would that make you sleep better at night?
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    Other than your age, why don't you join the force and show us racist conservatives how policing is supposed to be done? What's your fucking excuse for not making difference (when you were younger) in your community or country since you are so upset with the system? Oh that's right, you live in Utopia. The US needs your abilities...damn our loss I guess! :dayton:
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    I don't understand why they get a pass. Are they superior in some way?
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    This.

    Yrs, there are white victims of police brutality, but if it's severe enough, the cop will at least go to trial, if not get convicted. When blacks, Latinxs and not-passing-for-white Asians and Middle Easterners get, killed, cops be like: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  19. Mrs. Albert

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    Who is saying that? I brought up the types of traffic stops because Flashlight used them to say something about him not being a choir boy and I think it's bullshit to use them as a reason to judge his character when they are all a direct result of lack of money.

    Maybe in your city it's just accepted that cops can shoot first and think later so you think it's totally normal no matter the race of the driver. My city is predominantly white....I'm guessing it's more similar to St. Paul than yours. I can tell you that if I were in that same vehicle with those same tickets on my record and told the cop that pulled me over that I was carrying a legal firearm and then reached for my purse to get my ID, I would still be alive. Add the fact that there was a FOUR YEAR OLD in the backseat and I just can't even... :(. WTF is wrong with people?
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    :facepalm: That's called "driving while black." All those "violations" were made up bullshit for cops to fuck with him. Trust me, ask any of your black co-workers or associates. They all go through it too, you just don't hear about it.

    We simply can't call him a bad guy because he got pulled over a lot, or because he was lawfully exercising his right to bear arms. The video is clear the cop was ready to shoot as soon as he saw him. This is not the way we want our police to behave, which is why he lost his job because of it least.
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    So, all lower-income folks have 50+ traffic stops and 20+ arrests on their records? And are driving while high on weed? And driving with loaded guns in the pockets of their shorts?

    You're presuming that he didn't have the money to get insurance, or renew the drivers license, or fix the tail light, etc. But what if he had the money and, for whatever reason, chose to spend it on other things, like weed and bullets?
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    I honestly never knew how bad it was here until I talked to my best friend's fiancée about it recently. He said he gets pulled over ALL THE TIME. And he drives a nice car, is light skinned, very short hair, and has a professional job so he's always dressed nice. But he lives on the west (white) end of the city. When I think back on all the shitty ass falling apart cars I've driven and my general I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude about clothes/hair/etc.....I can't imagine what all I would have been through with cops if I was black. It's bullshit.
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    I bet my life that someone will not pull a gun on me hundreds of times a day, and I don't even know if they've done it before or not. :shrug:
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    Or it could be he was one of those fascist anti-gun types who freaked at the mention of him having one. It would take a while to find again, but a remember a similar example of a white cop threatening to shoot a white guy in a very similar incident. :shrug: In this case, the cop was Asian and the driver was black, but I'm not seeing much difference there. And for all the assertions that this is over race, I'm thinking Sean is right in this instance, because I've seen this is the case in other instances like this, where the victim was white. Those two homeless men I posted links about in response to a Jenee post are examples. Another example where the guy wasn't killed (only beaten to a pulp) would be what happened to Robert Leone:

    Outcome of this case. Keep in mind, this man was charged with assaulting a police officer, because said officer managed to break a bone in his hand from punching the guy so hard. There are countless other examples cited in the "Rise of the Warrior Cop" book detailing the militarization of the police in the US as part of the "War on Drugs." For some reason in this country, most people do seem to give cops the "benefit of the doubt" so to speak in almost everything they do.
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    I have a question for both you and this "expert" - If this man had intended to shoot this officer, why would he have announced the fact he was armed first? Now, I could be wrong on this, but I believe it is a requirement of a CCW permit to announce to police that you have a permit and are armed when you are carrying, the idea being that hopefully then they won't freak out on you if they catch sight of the weapon. On top of this, your own article mentions that it looks like Castile's hand wasn't near his gun, because his trigger finger has a graze wound on it from the officer shooting him, yet there isn't a corresponding bullet hole in the clothing near where the weapon was concealed or damage to the weapon itself. I honestly think you guys are defending a man who would quite happily stomp all over your civil rights as I believe he did in this case.
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    I don't know why you're quoting me here. I said nothing like that. I'm saying that his traffic stops don't justify fear from the cop since they weren't for violent crimes....they were for unpaid fines, car repairs, etc.

    Then what? His skills (or lack thereof) at maintaining his finances on his cafeteria worker's salary have nothing to do with whether the cop was justified in killing him.
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    The fact that their job gives them authority over others, and that their mistakes are often lethal means they should be subject to more accountability than normal citizens, not less. :bailey:
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    It depends on the state you're in. For example, North Carolina has that requirement, but Tennessee doesn't.
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    Your statement was that Castile's long criminal history of traffic violations was the "direct result from a lack of money."

    You were attempting to dismiss the significance of Castile's years-long pattern of ignoring the law that resulted in dozens of traffic stops and arrests. As for whether Yanez knew about Castile's history before approaching his car, I haven't read anything about whether Yanez ran the plates prior to talking to Castile and pulled his record up.

    The only issue is whether Yanez believed his life was in danger and his belief that Castile was reaching for a gun. The prosecution put on a case that lasted several days, he presented all the arguments you and others are making. The defense called expert witnesses who testified the shooting was justified. The prosecutor didn't do a good enough job of discrediting them. The girlfriend gave conflicting stories, and also told police that Castile may not have been completely clear about what he told Yanez about having a gun.

    At the end of the day, a jury of 12 citizens didn't agree with your interpretation of the events. Case closed.
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    Depends on the state.

    Minnesota you don't have a duty to inform. But if asked than you have to tell them.

    http://concealednation.org/2015/07/...led-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/
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