Poll One: Personal Information

Okay...discussion about the topic in general is in the other thread, but I thought I would start with the most basic of questions, because depending on the results, any other discussion would be kind of moot.

Do we even need a personal information rule? Should we toss what we have and just see what happens?

Fuck sake.

Making WF a free-for-all on personal info is the fastest way to get half the membership to leave.

I know that you're trying to change the place up, or whatever, but this is insane.

Toss all personal information rules? Have you lost your fucking mind?



It should tell you something when me and the drunk leprechaun agree on something.

I'm with Sokar on this one.

Wow, never thought I'd say that.

You've lost your mind if you think it's ok to toss that rule. You can change the rule to be less harsh (public facebook profiles that somehow link to wordforge should be fair game, etc.) but to toss the rule is just...

Mmm mmm mmm. Lanz gonna pissed when he get home.

*Raises hand*
I'll be out the fucking door.

ummm.....yeah. people start stalking me in real life and i'm out.

[mouse]I'd stalk it![/mouse]

We all stalk you, sweetie.

Geez, what a stupid question. There was a good reason why the Blue Room became the way it was.

How about we do what we've always done on WF and use goddamn common sense and case-by-case basis? And that goes both ways, BTW...if your business is that personal to you, don't post it online. Anywhere. Period. So then you don't have to worry about someone here using it against you.

Easy.

/thread.

Need? No. Absolutely should have? Yes.

I'm not sure if it's possible to right a common sense rule that someone can't be a dick about some loophole express or implied.

The general idea, it seems to me, would be that if you make your casual info public anywhere - such as Facebook - then don't be crying about it here.


BUT

Folks do say things under a persona that they dont want associated with their public profile and might be paranoid about the links being too obvious

and ALSO

you have situations where it's necessary for a person to have at least some RL info on-line due to their work or whatever and that is not the same, by nature, as freely volunteered things on Facebook (or such like).

Really, it's hard to not have a policy on this subject that doesn't come down to "judgement call" - which would be cool if we didn't have those members who drew every next breath in anticipation of the opportunity to start a shitstorm over some judgement call.

How about we take it in baby steps?

Let's make all of Tamars personal information exempt from the current rules and see what happens.

If she still thinks it's a great idea after three months, we'll go from there.

I'd prefer not to go back to the days when a certain female poster here tried to troll me by posting a picture of me from my facebook page. A picture which I had never posted here on WF BTW. That was just some creepy stalker crap and the poster in question knows who she is.

It just makes her present grandstanding all the more transparent as bullshit.

Here's a simple one: if your use of personal info causes a complaint to staff, your use of personal info against that person is over on pain of the same consequences of breaking the Blue Room rule, UNLESS that person elects to play at turnabout, in which case good luck with that, you have it coming from that person, and that person only.

So for example Poster A shops up a nasty pic of Poster B. if B doesn't care, no problem. If B reports it, down it comes. 1 full warning every 24 hours otherwise, ending with a ba, the alternative being that B could pull the same thing with A and A can't report it.

I figure either personal info abuse will go out of fashion or get a lot more interesting.

You are well and truly pathetic.

If the staff creates a special rule to soothe your fake-hurt fee-fees that'll be even more pathetic than you are.

Seriously folks, treating pictures differently than other personally released personal information is ridiculous, and if the staff is going to suck up to skinofevil then there's really no hope at all for this place.

The policy on pictures should be to ban visionrazer and then have a competition for the best photoshop of one of his pictures of Neil. Here's an element for people to feel free to use:

No. Some of us have careers and reputations to consider. We're not going to play games of chicken with unemployed housewives who have nothing to lose.

That just means you'd opt for the staff option. So would I.

This. We can't possibly be considering this.

Only if the majority was interested in it.

One person had said toss it, so I decided to see how many agreed with that thought.

Hell, even I don't think we should have no PI rule.

It's kind of nice to see something almost everyone agrees on around here. It's so rare!

Yea, might as well close this one out.

FUCK THE MAJORITY!

You all fuck rep over but you're now considering opening up Pandora's box on private information?

God Damn you've not seen the hell that will come if that rule is lifted.

The current rule is fine as it is. Leave it the fuck alone.

Stop fucking with things just cause Lanz gave you a 99% percent blank check to do what you want.

She says she's leaving it alone in the very post you're quoting! I mean, it's implied, but it's pretty clear.

I just want to make sure she gets the message loud and clear because she left the implied "we may tweak it".

We probably will somewhat.

It's just how and what will make the majority, if not happy, then can live with it.

Some things need to be more defined and clearly established, especially if we are hoping for new members because it has been all over the place from several owners and a ton of conflicting precidents.

It's hard to agree with Sokar, but there's a first for everything. Some people don't seem to care, but most do. I say: offering PI - maybe outside the BR but who doesn't have access there and can take whatever s/he wants - is a conscious act and everybody who does it knows there could be nasty consequences. Everybody who doesn't must stay protected since they consciously decide against laying it all out there.

Posting here doesn't entitle the whole troll community to declare open season on you IN REAL LIFE. Also, there's always Google to consider. Shit said here will be findable even long after WF's lights go out thanks to their cache. I never thought that WF or any other non-professional internet activity should have real life consequences unless I consciously want it to.

Well, version one of that rule which persisted until the days of Elwood was pretty clear: Don't. If you do it's the surest way out forever.

Whoever changed the wording to 'flippant' also changed the meaning. That's why the current version is shit. It's open to interpretation by ways of personal relationship. Something could happen... if we don't like you enough to let you get away with murder.

Yep, I'm in the minority on this one, but there is a very clear sense of the membership expressed in the poll and comments.