Poor People...

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  1. Uncle Albert

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    Only that you are entitled to something you need, by default. A grown ass, able-bodied man actually believes that.
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  2. Diacanu

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    Like I said, he hates when beaten wives dodge.
    He just pretends it's passive.
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  3. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    well, part of my job is property management of 150ish RGI units.

    most of'em are reasonably well kept by the tenants-we have a few who aren't entirely capable, usually because of advanced age or mental incapacity. But would it be better/more cost effective not to create housing alternatives for them? Of course not. Then you wind up with folks like voply is crowing about, with hoarding issues, an array of traumas, and police contacts, who eventually we have to "form" and apply for community treatment orders to treat.

    Clowns like UA and voply want a society that breaks people, yet not cover the damage that causes.

    Talk about a lack of responsibility...
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  4. Uncle Albert

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    What you say is a bunch of dishonest nonsense. I don't want anyone abused or exploited, but having to get off your ass and earn your keep doesn't qualify as either.
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  5. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    12.5% increase in US homelessness between 2022 - 23, and this is all "poor choices" by grown ass, able bodied, and frequently employed, people...

    Look, I'm glad that you get to play life in sandbox mode, but for other people there are actual challenges.
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  6. Uncle Albert

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    Do not fucking speak for me. I want a society where individuals are meddled with as little as possible.
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  7. Uncle Albert

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    The choice to quit your job to "pursue your dreams," make babies you can't afford or take out loans you can't pay back . Those are all poor ones.
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  8. Kommander

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    I will complain about whatever I want, to anyone I want. If someone does not want to hear me complain, they can either ignore me or ask me to stop.
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  9. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    thanks for proving my point about "sandbox mode"...

    Like I said, I'm glad that you've never had to face true adversity where the only options were a rock and a hard place.
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  10. Tererune

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    Maybe @Volpone will get lucky, but the people relegated to renting here in the US have little respect for what they rent because it isn't theirs. Thjis is the US. You can get lucky and have respectful people who rent, but they will meet a renter like volpone and learn even if they do everything right he will keep their security until they sue him, and maybe he wins because he knows how to lie and fuck them.

    There are good renters out there, but in the US there is a huge attitude of fuck the rich guy. If you want to make money as a reenter youy are a slumlord because you eventually find the wrong renters and do not want to spend all that money to fix up someone else's damage.
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  11. Diacanu

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    Unless they're trans, or feminist protesters, or BLM protesters, or standing up to Nazi counter-protesters, or are just really sad Trump got elected in 2016.

    I mean, you won't overtly call for their demise, because that's a bad look for your fake philosophy; but if they just vanish, you don't care how the sausage gets made, and you're mad if anyone investigates.
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  12. Jenee

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    Are you guys saying, you actually read his post?
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    Unless they make you uncomfortable, in which case you're all for it. :brood:
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    Anyhoo, as for the OP:

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    Well, anyone arguing “market value” is full of shit. Period. End of discussion.

    Market value just means “what a knowledgeable purchaser would pay fora similar thing”.

    That’s it.

    It’s not about cost or overhead or labor or anygoddammthing else.

    So, if someone buys top quality construction materials, invests in high end amenities for occupants, hires landscapers for a picture perfect view; then some asshole, like, say Volpone, would say “if he can charge that much rent, so can I.
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  16. Spaceturkey

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    I'd suspect a LL like volpy lets the place deteriorate while continually raising the rent.

    By the time there's nothing left to do but tear the building down, his mortgage is paid and he's sitting on a bunch of equity others have actually paid for.

    landlords rarely provide housing, they hoard it as the tide raises their and other LLs' boats, while the tenant population continues to drown.
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  17. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    case in point, the 4 br house I spent part of m childhood in sold for about 16K when it was built in 1960.

    a decade later my parents bought it for about $35K, sold it for around $80 another 10 years later.

    a few more owners and in 2022 it listed for 1.6M. Took the virtual tour on the realtor's page. Nothing other than upkeep has really changed in the intervening five decades. They were trying to rent it at that point for about $60K/year :/
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    The problem here is that existing human acceptance of human behavior says that humans are “adults” at 18. So, they make choices. Some good, some bad. But none are made by actual adults.

    The human brain doesn’t fully mature until around 26 years.

    You wouldn’t expect a 2 year old to suffer the rest of his/her life because they “made choices” - because the release of hormones which they had no control over - that resulted in being punished by the parent.

    But, we do expect 18 year old kids to suffer the rest of their lives for the same thing.

    As a society, we need to stop expecting 18 year old kids to behave like adults.
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  19. Jenee

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    Yep. Real estate is one of the worst markets for such nonsense. That and art.
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    I do not know exactly what @Volpone is doing because I do not overly care. I just know there are a lot of people who get into renting as some sort of great way to grow equity and make income, and it can be. It is just that if you only have one or two properties you are not getting rich.

    The idea works well if you can do the upkeep yourself. This is why it is one of the steps immigrant families look to because they are often larger families who can offset the costs of damages to the property. Also, the modern property management group can help with dealing with some of that.

    Maybe he bought a multi-unit building so he can be a slumlord, and possibly that might work. I am not reading too deep into that shit, nor do I even trust he actually did anyt oif this and isn't just trying to make the libs angry by pretending he is fucking over people like Trump.

    I actually know renting a few units in multi family dwellings and houses is not all it is cracked up to be on making yourself rich easily.

    Also, if you end up breaking the tennants backs with rent, you increase the likelihood of geting hit with a group of squatters who get in on a lease and then invite all their friends into the unit. A person with the money to afford a high rent unit either gets fucked on being gouged, or they have to scam to get access and then you have a whole new problem of poor people who know how to makew a landlord's life a living hell.

    Once you let the people in who know how to cling to a residence, you shit is super fucked. Those are the type of people who put holes in the walls, horde shit, and make it so you have to gut the place.

    Maybe it works for him because he becomes a good scammer. Like most things, becoming a good scammer is a job of it's own.
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  21. Diacanu

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    Poor people...got no reason!
    Poor people got!
    No reason!
    Poor people got!
    No reason to liiiiiiiiive!!

    *Volpone and UA take it unironically, and make the inside of their jockeys look like crab rangoon filling*
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    Some day I hope I'm also rich enough to have a shed strangers can abandon their junk in.
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  23. Spaceturkey

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    an acquaintance works for one of the big banks here doing forensic accounting to sniff out money laundering.

    guess where her job begins and more oft than not, ends.

    hint: it ain't people collecting their 7=$780/month welfare
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  24. Spaceturkey

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    perhaps, but Volpy's irrelevance aside, this is a topic worth discussing over and over again.

    there are literally hundreds of thousands of people without any type of shelter in North America on any given night.
    The US reports only about 11.5% poverty, but also uses a system of measure that predates the Gemini space program to do so.

    Fact is that nearly 30% of the country lives off of less than $30K/year.

    How is it sustainable economics to starve the consumer base?
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    Here in america you justify your job with numbers so it looks like you are doing something when you go after the poor and needy, or at least people who are not able to go through the expense of challenging a shitty law. The cops are all over the place worrying about traffic violations or busting someone who has some weed. Even the IRS has a much easier time with the guy who does a few stupid small tax cheats than a donald trump or member of congress.
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    I totally agree, but I have noticed even the poor have a fantasy about pissing on others so they never rise up and topple the system that keeps them poor because they might be peeing on someone right now.

    socialism and communism are only bad because people like making other's lives miserable. Capitalism just gives more people a chance to do that. Socialism and communism would define that to a ruling class if they were designed for that purpose. Capitalism creates smaller ponds and easier access to the ability to pee on others.
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  27. Spaceturkey

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    capitalism, especially with real estate as a commodity, is the path back to feudalism.

    but yeah, some of these guys never read Viktor Frankl's book in high school, and it shows.
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    Because who cares, baby? As long as there's still a large consumer base for whatever the latest shit is, if 10% of the population are fucked, it matters not to Volpone, or more proplerly, Volpones rentier idols.
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    Hey everyone! I figured out a solution to all of this!

    Useful people like me don't like poor people because they're lazy and don't pay their bills, and poor people are always whining some nonsense about "exploitation" and "lack of sustainability."

    So, here's the solution: When a poor person defaults on an account, a useful person pays off the debt. In exchange, the useful person owns the poor person for a period of time. It's a simple, yet genius idea. I wonder why no one's ever thought of it before?

    It's not exploitative because there'd be a standard rate. Say, one week of ownership for every $100 of debt. Nah, better make it $75. If someone defaults on a debt they obviously don't have much of a work ethic. Poor people would probably want to set the rate higher, but they shouldn't get a say. We know how entitled they get. They'd be like "a bajillion dollars a minute!"

    It's also sustainable indefinitely! Because, obviously, they should have to pay for food, shelter, and anything else I provide. I mean, I guess I'm fine with it if they work a second job after their 18-hour shifts at my dildo factory as long as they're not falling asleep on the job. However, most of them are probably too lazy for that, so why not just add it on to their debt? The best part of that is, I can charge them whatever I want! Renting a cot in the People I Own Barn? $400 a week. Sleeping outside the barn? $200 a week. Clothing I got from the $4 a pound bin at the Salvation Army? It's free, but there's a $500 surcharge every time I have to run into town to pick up clothes. I can even force them to breed and, since I own them, guess I own their children too.

    For the small percentage of poor people who somehow don't rack up massive amounts of debt, I'm working on something there as well. It involves hiring them to work at my dildo factory, and they can either work for minimum wage, or double minimum wage in Dildo Dollars, which can be spent at the company store where everything is priced with a reasonable markup. At first, one Dildo Dollar will be worth one real dollar. Hell, why not make it two regular dollars? You work for DDs, you get four times the buying power in the company store. If people still opt for regular money, keep raising the value of DDs as much as it takes to get them all on DD pay. Then, suddenly change the value of a DD to a negative number. They're now in debt, I pay off that debt, and then I own them!

    Seriously, why are there even poor people? It's not that hard to be self-made by borrowing $10 million from your parents and starting a business like I did. How lazy are these people?

    This is objectively the best way to do things and anyone who disagrees is a filthy communist, or worse, a lazy smelly poor person.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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