Prayer Kills Sick Child

http://www.livescience.com//health/080410-bad-prayer-kills.html

Lawl. God didn't love them.

I wonder how many American children die each year because of incompetent medical care versus the number killed because their parents tried to pray the disease away.

numerically or as a percentage?

Either or would be good.

Well, I can think of at least 3 times my doctors tried to kill me. So maybe I should try this prayer thing out....

yeah, that kid surely woulda died from using antibiotics.

She had a BLOOD INFECTION and PNEUMONIA. Those things just don't go away with some bed rest and applejuice.

I mean, Jesus saves, but he's the Lord's son, not a doctor! *Bones*

No, but if the wrong disease was diagnosed and the wrong treatment given that kid would.

Way to miss the point. Your troll -fu is weak. Keep at it though, your post count will come up.

In 2002 the second leading cause of death in the US was malpractice, and the 3rd leading cause of death was infection gotten at a hospital.

So the 1st leading cause of death was going to the hospital. Not due to dying of the illness you had walking in the door, but all the other ways they could screw up and kill you.

Point?

That still doesn't make hope and prayer a viable option.

Someone said I missed the point. I don't think I did. The kid died because parents refused to give her ANY medical treatment, even a doc's visit for an antibiotic. In response, folk are saying "Well, yeah, but lots of people die from malpractice and shit." I don't think I'm the one missing the point here. Not by a long shot.

I had a coworker that had a sister that had the same type of cancer as me.

They cured the cancer, which was great news.

Unfortunately while doing that she got an infection in the brain and died.

IT still comes down to hope. You hope God will save your child versus your hope your doctor knows what the fuck he's doing. Statistically who die more often, kids with morons for parents or kids with morons for doctors?

So the moral of the story is they should have let her die of cancer.

I'm praying for Flashlight.

No. Clearly they should have prayed AND sent them to a better doctor.

I mean, if God wants to rub you out, the best doctor in the world is going to be able to help.

I hate to think of all the sons of bitches that died before they even got to the hospital....

As to the article, the country is full of extremists in all faiths and have no problem letting their kid die and chaulking it to "God's will". It's really a pretty ignorant stance if their faith in doctors and hospitals is outweighed so by their faith. The laws will deal with their misconceptions of reality.

Now, if Jesus Christ were on walkabout and would stop by for a visit and a touch, I could see that but Christ has been gone a long time. Prayer alone won't cut it when your kid's life is at stake and I'm pretty sure if God looks over us all He has a hand in the doctors work as well.
Nothing mysterious about that.

I was the one who said it, and the point the man was trying to make was compare the numbers of people who die from "faith" to the number that died from going to the hospital. A simple question with a simple answer that could have been provided had you not chosen to bloviate. You chose bloviation.

See?

Statistically, that would be meaningless, as the vast, vast majority of people use doctors and modern medicine. While the vast, vast minority are like the parents in that article.

So, of course a LOT more people will die from malpractice than from their parents just trying to pray the illness away. Cause for every, like, 50,000 people who use doctors, one family is the type who won't.

I don't see how one is supposed to take that quote seriously. Like I just said, it's kinda like comparing the odds of dying from aids to the odds of dying from a lightning strike.

That would be a comparison would it not? The underlying point is quite simple. Many many people are deathly afraid of hospitals and have no faith in the creditability of doctors most likely derived from a seriously bad experience either they themselves suffered or someone they know. Hospitals are filthy places filled with "real bad germs" that will kill you if not contained. My father suffered for 35 years from an infecton he recieved after going in for severe injuries after an auto accident. There was no fixing it, damage done.
I get sick, I go to the doctor even after that btw, but I know and trust my doc.
Hospitals kill. There are people working in there I wouldn't let mow my yard or do anything for me because they don't care enough to follow protocal or are ignorant to it, or they just plain don't care.
You think this doesn't play a part in the decisions of these parents who insist God will save their kid then there is no getting you to see it beyond this.

The kids who get medical treatment will do better than those just treated with prayer.

Take one hundred kids with a medical condition that is being treated, then take another hundred with the same condition who are only being treated with prayer and I think it is safe to say more of the medically treated ones will be alive ten years later.

Again, what are the statistics? What percentage of children die when they have prayer based healing versus what percentage die when under medical supervision?

No argument here Bailey.

Pulling this out of my ass here but if it's the same ailment odds are good it could be 100% to 100%. Everybody is dead.
Parameters are too wide. Pick a disease or ailment and run with it.

Well, considering that most doctors do have a number of successes treating the sick, while prayer has a stone-cold zero success rate in accomplishing anything concrete....

That's one reason why I said pick something to run with.

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I've been involved in prayer over a great many things over the past 30 years and I KNOW it works.

I remember an article from my local newspaper about 14 years ago about a boy that was expecting to die in six months from a brain tumor. He and his mother go into for a round a chemo to find that the tumor was just gone. After a few more test, they determined he was just fine, and this was after fighting the cancer for close to a year anyway.

Point is, hoping for God to give you a miracle (and that's perfectly understandable IMO) is no excuse for using the facilities and technology He has helped put on this earth. I've always been raised to believe that God helps those who try to help themselves and still can't pull through. There's no reward for being a fucktarded imbecile and expecting Him to do everything in light *for* you.

Like Demi said, if it's you're time to go, not even the best doctor can help you, but there's no excuse for not ever *attempting* to get help.

Fuck.

I've always believed that prayer helps the mind while doctors help the body. If you're sick, go to the doctor. If you're feeling down, a little prayer might just do some good. But don't substitute prayer for medical help.


J.