Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

The problem is people like you jump all over stories like this as some kind of "gotcha" moment.

Frankly, the dad's veering off into ranting about "all of these fake weird concepts" makes me wonder if the situation is actually as he's representing it.

(As does the story being from the New York Post.)

It's also entirely possible that the kid is dressing the way he wants to, but is afraid to say that to Dad.

Reminder; UA has no kids because he hates kids.
He's on record saying so.
Also, he's a doomsdayer who wants society to collapse. This would kill millions of people including children.
He cares fuck-all about kids.

Also, he hates sports as much as my nerdy ass does.
He cares fuck-all about sports.

It's all about the bigotry.
Because he's a sad little man who needs people to punch down on.

He also feels a desperate need to be victimized, even if the transes and the divorcees and the pink hairs the female TV and movie and video games characters don't give a shit about him either way.

If we're doing with accountability let's start with people who occasionally pretend to care about sports or kids as a vessel for their chud fuckwittery and hold them accountable to that.

You're being too kind.

This is a 100% astroTERF moral panic crusade.
Designed solely and only to advance anti-trans politics in the US and UK.

These crusaders don't care about women's sport at all, it's a tool. The boxer in question has had a long career, including competing in Tokyo for the 2020 games (and losing to a Scottish boxer in the quarterfinals) and no one who's fought her has ever complained about unfairness. The reported disqualifications was pronounced by one executive director of one boxing outfit who's on the record with anti-trans views.
The normal procedures for that were not followed.
EVERY proposal by right wingers to eliminate trans competitors would not have barred this individual and yet all the usual grifters on the right are spreading that she's a man in order to proselytize gullible normies (likw you) into adopting their anti-trans bigotry.

If it's only about unfair physiological advantage, there would be no need to call her a man, and it would be worth asking why no one complained about the last Olympics.

Mainly, because JKR hadn't been fully radicalized yet.

Trans people been saying for a decade that if you let the zealots police gender, they would come for more cis women than they would for trans women. We saw this shit coming back when it was supposedly about bathrooms. But who listens to us?

ETA: There IS a trans boxer at the Olympics. AFAB. None of the sports integrity posers have even noticed.

BMA calls for a pause, intends to do a review of the irregularities of the Cass Review.
TERFS are losing their shit because, apparently, "listen to the science" doesn't include scientists who don't share their prejudice.

To be clear, the Cass Review is a dumpster fire that's very clearly a retcon designed to find a rational for the previously intended conclusion. This won't gbe the first time that it's been humiliated by actual competent studies.

Even so, the Cass Review didn't recommend a complete ban as it's being leveraged to prop up.
Moreover the main premise - that "weak" studies, of which there are a multitude, all reach the same conclusion - which constitutes a strong meta-study as the results keep replicating, Contrawise there were not studies of any sort supporting the course of treatment that denies medication and replaces it with conversion therapy but that's what the Brits are running with.

Literally NO OTHER course of medical practice is legally suspect based on this set of circumstances - for example, Cass suggests that dysphoric kids my be treated with SSRIs, which are already prescribed to a significant proportion of UK kids even though there are no high quality studies supporting their effectiveness and multiple studies questioning the treatment and finding ill-effects.

The double standard is glaring and amounts to one big steaming pile of confirmation bias.

so this is basically Caster Semenya all over again?

is it just me, or is there a kinda racist undertone in these "challenges" as well?

When you've got nothing else, play the bigot card. Get fucked.

I care about people imposing their will on each other.

If it's not about forcing the world to validate "gender identity," explain why so few are interested in open, coed competition.

Right.

because "co-ed competition" is a totally differnt thing than trans gendered.

You know this, or at least have had it explained to you with the appropriate crayons on countless occasions.

Motherfucker, your whole game deck is Bigot: The Gathering.
How about you just stop being a fucking bigot?
How about that?
Why can't you manage it?

"The world" is doing fine.
Except for the CHUDs.
And no one cares if you fucks cry yourself to death.
Seriously, rupture your tear ducts, and bleed out through your skull sockets.
Hurry up, and get that done.

How the fuck does this woman even merit discussion, you obtuse piece of shit?
She. Is. A. Natural. Woman.
Like Nova said, did you even know there was a trans boxer? No.
Because you don't actually care. You're just latching onto whatever you can.
Regardless of how you feel about trans women in sports, this Algerian boxer (And the Taiwanese one too) do NOT deserve to be grouped into the trans fight. It's actually insulting to them to say "I know you were born female, but you're not female ENOUGH to compete with other women."
I'm sorry that you're literally too stupid to realize this, but there is no real controversy here.

No, because an intersex person isn't distinctly a woman, they have traits of both men and women. And if that includes the ability to produce testosterone like a man, then that means they have a significant advantage over the other competitors.

I hope that Imane Khelif makes truckloads of money from suing all of the morons who traduced her.

In the meantime, the reviewer, Dr. Hillary Cass, former President of the College of Pediatric Care in the UK and head of the London School of Pediatrics who has numerous lifetime honors including a peerage for her service in children's care can no longer take public transport due to the threats she's received and has consulted security services for her safety.

If you want to talk about people losing their shit, maybe you should start with the ones that threaten violence.

As to the ongoing discussion about gender services, that's a good thing. Most of the critique of the Cass review is that care should be spread out regionally in order to respond quickly to children with these needs, that the number of neurodiverse people being referred to gender identity services was easily twice to three times that found in the general population, depending on the criteria used, and that controls that were normally used in rolling out new treatments were not implemented. Also that only service provider for GIDS was not following up with proper statistical and data measures to track the outcomes, and that a high percentage of turnover at the facility came from doctors who disagreed with that administration on the correct course of treatment.

Regardless, more trained minds investigating is a good thing. If Dr Cass is wrong, she's wrong.

But that doesn't mean she should be threatened. Which seems to be a constant in the UK TRA community.

It's different because everyone AGREES to it.

How about you go fuck yourself, you lying shut-in douchebag? Your fantasy version of the world isn't anyone else's problem.

As seen from your parent's basement. The fuck would YOU know about it?

Fucking get off your fat lazy ass and do it yourself.

I am commenting on something in the current news cycle. Feel free to bring your weak troll game to someone you might impress.

But you're not allowed to point out irrefutable biological facts like that, because it might stigmatize someone and hurt their feelings.

There is no conclusive proof she is intersex. A Russian IBA President announced to Russian news that Khelif was disqualified for being intersex after Khelif defeated a Russian boxer. The IBA admitted it never actually ran a testosterone test on her. Moreover, the IBA has been excluded from organizing Olympic boxing for several years due to corruption issues (again, it's a Russian-led organization, so no surprise there). Since then, Khelif has been cleared to compete both in the current Olympics and in the Arab Games (which I'm sure is as open to transgender and transex people as Russia is) as they did not corroborate the IBA's determination.

So despite a clear lack of trustworthy evidence, and actual evidence to the contrary, you are instead speculating that Khelif has testicles hidden inside her vagina. Fucking weirdo.

Because hurting their feelings might lead to them committing suicide, even though in the trans community the single leading factor there is also their original biology, as MTF trans individuals commit suicide at substantially higher rates than FTM, just like men commit suicide at higher rates than women.

And the DSM (Diagnostics and Statistical Manual) of the American Psychiatric Association listed self-harm as one of the key components of abnormal psychology up until the last decade, which is why gender dysphoria was termed as a mental illness.

I can understand the desire to change the terminology as the term mental illness has been stigmatized, but that's not been helpful in the 'if you make them sad they'll kill themselves' mantra we keep hearing, and why transrights activists have lost their shit. And making them sad can simply be disagreeing with them.

Personally I see gender dysphoria as a mental illness in the same way I see agoraphobia - people can absolutely lead healthy, beneficial lives, and the should be able to do so without stigma. I'm VERY much against the Christofascist 'only two genders' exist concept that comes from their outdated holy book. But we rarely see anyone argue from that perspective on WF - everyone that whacky went on to different social media.

But I also think there's a lot of unstable and harmful individuals in the TRA community.

And I feel bad for Nova sometimes on here, because the other two trans individuals here clearly have other mental issues outside of their gender dysphoria.

About the only thing I disagree with Nova on is the sports issue, and it's astonishing to me that so many of the other people here don't understand the root of that.

You don't beat up on women if you are a man, and the core component of being a man is the body transformation that comes with testosterone, especially during puberty. This is clinically well understood.

So if science shows that puberty blockers are safe, then I'm very much for their use, as long as we can also ascertain that someone with pre-teen or teenage gender dysphoria isn't going to grow out of that. There have been some examples of that, though to my knowledge it's rare. And this would mitigate any issues in athletics - if you don't undergo puberty as a male, then you don't gain any significant advantage in competition. Indeed, this is the stance of several of the largest international athletic bodies, including those that oversee individual competitions such as track and field and swimming.

Anyway, it's a complicated issue that for some reason brings out a lot of zealotry. Clearly transpeople exist and should be afforded human rights and dignity. But just exactly what that means countries are still working out.

OK, whackaloon.

Here's the IBA's statement:

On 24 March 2023, IBA disqualified athletes Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships New Delhi 2023. This disqualification was a result of their failure to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women’s competition, as set and laid out in the IBA Regulations. This decision, made after a meticulous review, was extremely important and necessary to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition.

Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors

So according to the governing body of the world international championship at the time, Imane Khelif failed a test that determined her eligibility for competition BECAUSE it was determined that she'd have an advantage over other competitors.

The most common reason for this would be that the individual had intersex characteristics, as we've seen in other sports. This is where the 'she has XY genetics' comes from.

You can come down on either side of whether that should be allowed, but clearly one of the governing bodies has said it was problematic.

If it turns out IBA is lying, then absolutely, Khelif should be allowed to compete. Is that possible? Sure.

But I'd also state in boxing the health and safety of the individuals for fair competition bar should be higher than those that don't engage in direct physical confrontation. It's unfair if someone has an abnormal physiological advantage in swimming or track.

It's potentially dangerous for that to occur in boxing.

As of right now, the IOC has devolved to the Paris 2024 Boxing rules. Which were made up this year. Apparently they say that the IOC has to accept the sex of the individual as indicated on their passport.

So if Russia wants to send a bunch of 300 lb men to compete in the women's competition, under current rules that is absolutely OK, as long as it said they were women on the passport. LOL.

Way to tar a whole group with its worst examples.
Now find a black thief, and go "they're all criminals!!! ".

Funny you didn't say that to Nova about Terf's 'losing their shit.'

Almost like you are a complete hypocrite.

And no, I didn't imply that all people that community are criminals.

But there's routinely some people in that community that use death threats when people don't agree with them.

For our noobs; Demi is our resident concern-TERF.
I wager he listens to a lot of Helen Joyce.