Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

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  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Y'all...
    TBH...

    I just can't. There's too much. Any thread I'd start here about the tsunami of anti-trans laws in red states would entirely fail to do justice to it, you can't keep up.

    There are no less than THIRTY ONE proposed bills in MS.

    31!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    HB 576: Gender reassignment surgery or services; prohibit performing or paying for.
    HB 1124: Gender reassignment surgery or services; prohibit performing or paying for.
    HB 1258: Gender Transition Procedures; prohibit for persons under age twenty-one.
    HB 1126: Transgender procedures; restrict for persons under age 21.
    SB 2760: Mississippi Help Not Harm Act; enact.
    HB 1127: MS Safe Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE); create to prohibit providing gender transition procedures to minors.
    HB 1125: Regulate Experimental Adolescent Procedures (REAP) Act; create to regulate transgender procedures and surgeries.
    SB 2770: Gender reassignment surgery; criminalize performance of upon minors.
    SB 2861: Insurance; prohibit mandates for gender reassignment surgery or services.
    SB 2864: State funded health plans and Medicaid; prohibit payment of gender reassignment surgery or services
    HB 456: Child abuse; revise definition to include gender reassignment.
    SB 2883: Child sex abuse; include chemical or physical sterilization of child within definition of.
    HB 509:”Families’ Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2023″; enact.
    HB 1476: “Families’ Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2023”; enact.
    HB 1478: Parental rights; establish fundamental right of parents to direct the upbringing, education and care of their children.
    SB 2763: Families’ Rights and Responsibilities Act; enact.
    HB 1489: “Families’ Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2023”; enact.
    HB 1479: Parental rights; establish fundamental right of parents to direct the upbringing, education and care of their children.
    HB 1480: “Parents’ Bill of Rights Act of 2023”; enact.
    SB 2761: Parents’ Bill of Rights; enact.
    SB 2765: Mississippi Families’ Rights And Responsibilities Act
    HB 1074: The Title IX Preservation Act; enact.
    SB 2820: “Transparency in Education Act”; prohibit certain curriculum in public schools without parental consent
    SB 2773: The Defense of Title IX Act; enact.
    HB 1144: Title IX Preservation Act; create.
    SB 2076: Title IX Preservation Act; enact
    HB 1367: The Academic Transparency Act of 2023; enact.
    HB 1045: Libraries; regulate the material that is curated for children and younger teens.
    SB 2141: Distribution of obscene materials; delete exemption for public school libraries.
    SB 2764: Parental rights in education; prohibit instruction regarding sexual orientation or gender identity in K-12
    SB 2058: School counselors; delete requirement of counselors to abide by the American School Counselor Association Code of Ethics.

    Yes, many duplicates and a lot won't make it out of committee for that reason - but the point is to overwhelm opposition so you get some of your key stuff through.
    Note the hilarity of HB1849 - which if it meant what the title says (it doesn't) would legally guarantee a parents right to do the very thing that a dozen of these other forbid them to do.
    It's impossible to shame the shameless.
    Note the last one. National professional organization has a code of ethics that prohibits mistreating trans kids so, HEY! counselors in MS don't have to obey a code of ethics AT ALL. This will surely end well, right?
    SB 2764: "parental rights" protected by prohibiting certain subjects - and if you're a parent that WANTS these taught to your kid well, what can I say, it ain't ***YOUR*** rights these bozos intend to protect.

    You cannot shame the shameless. Example:
    This is from TN, voted on today in subcommittee...
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    Follow that? Kids who are NOT trans can freely elect to get THE EXACT SAME GODDAMN TREATMENT that would be a felony offense if you helped a minor receive in TN ***OR TRAVEL OUT OF STATE TO DO SO***

    Understand this: when/if a court let's them ban out of state medical care there's nothing to stop them from applying that precedent to anything else they want to regulate - like birth control for example.

    In Mississippi, The bill with the fastest legs – House Bill 1125, also known as the “Regulate Experimental Adolescent Procedures Act,” or REAP – passed out of the House on Jan. 19. (and passed out of committee in the Senate today) Authored by Rep. Gene Newman, R-Pearl, it would prohibit Mississippi doctors from performing gender-affirming surgery or writing prescriptions for hormone replacement therapy or puberty blockers to minors. No gender-affirming surgery for people of ANY age is available in MS, no one to my knowledge prescribes blockers (and no one here could afford them anyway) and no one under 16 can get a HRT prescription. This bill, like the sports ban last year, is not designed to solve a problem but to flog a scapegoat for votes, even if the scapegoat is even further ostracized and endangered by your bullshit.

    But wait - there's more.

    18 and up? That's legally an ADULT.
    When the courts let them get away with this - and we're in the 5th circuit so it will take SCOTUS to say otherwise, they will IMEDIATELY come after the rest of us. Just like once you let them have an 18 week abortion ban then they wanted 15 and before that ink got dry they started passing 6 weeks and with that done now they are building their case to ban birth control.

    Think they won't? Oklahoma is already considering a ban on any state or federal funds (dunno how they claim authority over that) will be allowed to go to ANY provider that provides ANY transition supportive care to persons of ANY age.

    Tennessee, literally TODAY
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    TN is my lifeline, I won't be able to get any care within 3-400 miles if these bills all pass. Likely further because I'm just measuring to southern IL.
    Except black market "who knows what's in this" pills.

    "Oh, but voters won't back that"
    Ya think? No one has paid a political price yet. (on the state level)
    Why?

    Because goddamn gullible right wing voters believe it when these evil bastards tell them eleven year olds are getting surgery.
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    (A little editorial commentary there)

    "Well, the south is a shithole anyway"

    Well ... yeah. But Utah ain't in the south. There governor signed the minor trans care ban last week. It's Law. NOW. Until the court blocks it (which is likely, Idaho has had anti-trans bills blocked already - that's not in the South either yo)
    Wyoming has a near total ban under consideration.
    North and South Dakota have been racing similar bills. Virginia has the benefit of a Dem controlled Senate but the radicals are still trying. Indiana. Texas. Arizona (they'd have to over-ride a veto), Ohio.

    And basically no one with any real power - apart from some of the courts - dares defend us with more than "oh dear" rhetoric. Reactionaries are PASSIONATE in their goals, Dems are terrified of so called "culture war" fights they don't want.
    And they are goddamn fools because WE are the beta test. They will NOT stop with us. Same sex marriage, birth control, various (other) rights for women... FUCKING ***BOOKS*** FOR GOD'S SAKE... it's already happening and worse is coming. And once the momentum is achieved, like a reverse civil rights era, it will be decades to reverse.

    This is Erin Reed's "threat level" map - and MS needs to be upgraded IMO - and you can read it more broadly as a map of a nation within a nation. Apart from geographically isolated New Hampshire and a scattering of Dem governors facing GOP supermajority legislatures, this is essentially the Fascist States of America growing like black mold within the boundaries of the existing country. And yes, I know and have argued that there's 40-something-percent of the voters in the FSA who are rational people who don't really want this shit - but in terms of government jurisdiction, you're basically looking at the contours of an already ongoing Cold Civil War. With no obvious off-ramp in sight.

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    Because again, it's not JUST about us. As one of their leaders said last week, they are choosing the softest targets strategically. This is the first days of the fight.

    If you want to keep up with the indescribable mountain of bullshit, this is the best resource. Though not the only one

    Erin In The Morning | Erin Reed | Substack
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  2. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    and I didn't even mention the litany of bizarre bills supposedly designed to stop the scourge of drag but written in such a way as to be able to charge trans people, sometimes for something as trivial as being seen in public by a child.
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    I am actually waiting to be arrested on this one. Better me than some kid who has no idea of what is going on or who does not have the backing. The sad part is the assholes looking to harm others often look for the weakest.
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    We all are
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    Some of these, if they pass, are just begging for a Rosa Parks-style test case.
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    With the current supreme court? That's just mass suicide with extra steps. :shrug:
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    That explains the flavor-aid package on my route today :chris:
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    Not necessarily. Thomas and Alito can probably be counted on to be all-in with the bigots, but Roberts can recognize a First Amendment violation that blatant. Then it's a matter of peeling off just one of the Trump justices. Gorsuch seems like a candidate for that, based on a few of his past actions in LGBTQ+ cases. Not saying the dude's a civil rights hero or anything, but he has generally chosen not to go full fascist when the opportunity presents itself.
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  9. 14thDoctor

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    Who's going full fascist? The constitution doesn't explicitly say anything about whether or not trans people deserve to live, which clearly means it's something to be decided upon by the states. Why do you leftists hate the constitution? :bergman:
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  10. Nova

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    I think Bostock is encouraging as long as there's no religious exercise element.

    Pretty sure that "but Jesus though" trumps what otherwise reasonable legal judgement he might have.

    The problem is the time it takes. The 5th Cricut, for example, will absolutely uphold any of these, no matter how brutal. Arkansas is still trapped in litigation over a law passed last year, as is Alabama. However those end - likely with the state losing sometime this year, they will get appealed, and hit the circuit court in 2024, and not get a ruling for months and THEN the appeal to SCOTUS...a ruling in 2027? 2028?

    A lot of grief in that mean time. Texas and/or MS will likely win in the 5th in a few years and that would serves as the counter to the positive decision (for the necessary conflict to get to SCOTUS) and those suits haven't even been filed.
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  11. Nova

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    And folks need to grasp, the whole point of all this is to overwhelm the opposition with sheer volume. No company can say "well I just will boycott TN" (or performer, movie studio, whatever) because you're then obliged to shun almost half of the states. Slow tedious lawsuits will be working through courts all over the country in almost every circuit spreading legal resources thin (while right wing theocrats are showered in cash by radical right billionaires)

    MOST of the 260 some odd currently filed bills will fail one way or another, maybe most - but they understand that if you propose something basically genocidal and it fails, a certain portion of the public will look at a different deeply bigoted bill and say "well, they didn't pass the lobotomy bill so I guess this is a compromise."

    Overton Window and all that shit, ya know.
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  12. Uncle Albert

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    "Genocidal."

    :sroll:
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    What phrase would you use for the targeted erasure of a subset of society?

    I mean, knowing you, "White Replacement Theory", but whilst there absolutely ARE other entitled white cunts to replace you, no-one is replacing whites as a-holes. Sorry, as a whole.
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    You're a shitty little transphobe and no one likes you. :async:
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    Interesting that's the one part of all this you take issue with.
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    Albert strenuously objects to providing transgender patients with treatments that are shown to reduce the risk of them committing suicide if it's for the sole purpose of reducing the risk of them committing suicide, so the eye roll seems like like an "I wish that were so" statement. :chris:
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    Ever notice how fashy contrarians "go against the flow" to feel special, and be independent, but they all fucking sound like each other, and therefore aren't the least bit special, or independent?
    Why don't they ever take their "rebellion" to the next level, and fucking kill each other?
    Surely being the last of their species standing would be pretty fucking special?
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  18. Nova

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  19. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    For the reactionaries, bigots, Theologists, and TERFs, the ideal number of trans people in public society is zero.

    They haven't been shy about it.
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    I wonder if UA would care to explain what separates "transgender ideology" from...transgender people just existing.
    And!! Can he do it without lapsing into his hacky Denis Leary wannabe routine?
    Or...is that being too greedy? :unsure:
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    Nowhere in that definition does the word suicide appear, because that is something a person does to themselves. I rest my fucking case.
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    I've been very clear on my objections, and they cannot be reduced to "just existing." Not with any useful degree of honesty, anyway.
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    And that's the only way trans people ever died, and everyone lived happily ever after.
    Then Grandpa Albert closed the storybook, and went home.
    Then the people in the theater watching this movie got up, left, and threw away their popcorn buckets with swastikas on them.
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    You are a lazy twat. No wonder you shit on anyone with a hint of motivation.
    http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/progressive-messaging-in-media.123052/page-7#post-3455016
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  26. Diacanu

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    That leads to Raoul not liking Mariner.
    What else you got?
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    More like Jeneecidal.
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